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Scroopy Noopers · 04-20-2019, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't hate him...these playoffs hurt his value though. Might be tough to win a trade.

Sorry, not about hate. Do you think Brayden Points value has gone down as well?

Winsor_Pilates · 04-20-2019, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

But how many of those are realistic? Do other teams do that trade?

Won't be easy, you are right.
But there are other team who are unhappy with their season, missed the playoffs, will go home early in round 1.

There's also teams that have cap issues, need to move free agents or need to sell their strong assets to fill up other holes in their rosters.

BT will have his work cut out for him, but it's not like 30 other teams are all 100% happy with what they have and looking at Calgary as the only team with problems to solve.

There could be 1 for 1 moves or multi player moves that address problem areas for both teams.

At least exploring those is much better than expecting things will work themselves out with this group as is.

The Boy Wonder · 04-20-2019, 07:11 PM

Has anyone looked at the stats and splits of where the flames piled up their points this season?

IIRC 50% of top lines points were against teams that finished in bottom third of NHL.

That doesn’t bode well for playoff success.

Gio is going to slow down, and it’s only fair to expect a little regression in production from the top players.

Count me among the very worried we regress quite a lot next season unless there are some drastic changes made

TheOnlyBilko · 04-20-2019, 07:26 PM

Sign Sergei Bobrovsky. But he probably wants too much $ & term and Florida will pay it for him and Panarin. Big Russian community in Miami as well

btimbit · 04-20-2019, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Won't be easy, you are right.
But there are other team who are unhappy with their season, missed the playoffs, will go home early in round 1.

There's also teams that have cap issues, need to move free agents or need to sell their strong assets to fill up other holes in their rosters.

BT will have his work cut out for him, but it's not like 30 other teams are all 100% happy with what they have and looking at Calgary as the only team with problems to solve.

There could be 1 for 1 moves or multi player moves that address problem areas for both teams.

At least exploring those is much better than expecting things will work themselves out with this group as is.

I'm not saying sit on your hands and do nothing, I'm just saying selling low on your best forwards isn't the best move because of one bad playoff series

Winsor_Pilates · 04-20-2019, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm not saying sit on your hands and do nothing, I'm just saying selling low on your best forwards isn't the best move because of one bad playoff series

3 bad playoff series.
And agree, the right return has to be there. Aside from a lot of frustrated posts, I dont think anyone here wants to just trade for anything.

Looks like WPG may be a great trade partner

btimbit · 04-20-2019, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

3 bad playoff series.
And agree, the right return has to be there. Aside from a lot of frustrated posts, I dont think anyone here wants to just trade for anything.

Looks like WPG may be a great trade partner

3? You can't really compare the Hartley or Gulutzan teams to this one can you?

Mathgod · 04-20-2019, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

3? You can't really compare the Hartley or Gulutzan teams to this one can you?

They showed more heart & compete than this one did.

blender · 04-20-2019, 07:42 PM

Speaking of trade partners, what of the leafs and specifically Nylander?
What would it take to get him and how much can he help the Flames?

btimbit · 04-20-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

They showed more heart & compete than this one did.

I agree, which is why I'm confused why we're using those years as evidence to trade Monahan and Geadreau.

Are we conveniently forgetting Monahan scoring 4 goals in 4 games in the playoffs 2 years ago? 2 points in 5 games this year is bad but 11 in 15 previous to this series isn't. Same with Johnny's 11 in 15. Those guys weren't the problem then but all of a sudden they've always sucked and need to go, because of one bad week in April 2019

Mathgod · 04-20-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

I agree, which is why I'm confused why we're using those years as evidence to trade Monahan and Geadreau

Monahan is a career -6 in the playoffs and Johnny is a career -8.

We absolutely needed both of them to step up in this series, but neither did. They can't use lack of playoff experience as an excuse, either.

btimbit · 04-20-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

Monahan is a career -6 in the playoffs and Johnny is a career -8.

We absolutely needed both of them to step up in this series, but neither did. They can't use lack of playoff experience as an excuse, either.

So to the topic at hand, is that a good reason to downgrade the team and get rid of them?

Mathgod · 04-20-2019, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

So to the topic at hand, is that a good reason to downgrade the team and get rid of them?

It's a reason to see if they can fetch a good return in the trade market. If they can't, then we don't really have a choice but to keep them and hope they bring their A game next April.

btimbit · 04-20-2019, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathgod

It's a reason to see if they can fetch a good return in the trade market. If they can't, then we don't really have a choice but to keep them and hope they bring their A game next April.

Well unless some GM wants to pull a Chiarelli I just don't see that happening

CGY12 · 04-20-2019, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

I agree, which is why I'm confused why we're using those years as evidence to trade Monahan and Geadreau.

Are we conveniently forgetting Monahan scoring 4 goals in 4 games in the playoffs 2 years ago? 2 points in 5 games this year is bad but 11 in 15 previous to this series isn't. Same with Johnny's 11 in 15. Those guys weren't the problem then but all of a sudden they've always sucked and need to go, because of one bad week in April 2019

The statistics 5on5 are very weak. Its a huge concern as they can't seem to generate much at even strength in the playoffs. To be successful in the playoffs you need your top guys driving play in all situations.

I would keep Johnny. If the right deal came along and you got a player that wasn't as 1 dimensional as Monahan, who could drive play, i'd trade him. Johnny needs help.

Winsor_Pilates · 04-20-2019, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

I agree, which is why I'm confused why we're using those years as evidence to trade Monahan and Geadreau.

Are we conveniently forgetting Monahan scoring 4 goals in 4 games in the playoffs 2 years ago? 2 points in 5 games this year is bad but 11 in 15 previous to this series isn't. Same with Johnny's 11 in 15. Those guys weren't the problem then but all of a sudden they've always sucked and need to go, because of one bad week in April 2019

Almost all of those points came on the PP and the series against Vancouver on their way to becoming a bottom of the league team.
Monahan, Johnny and everyone not named Bennett were terrible 2 years ago. Quoting his 4 goals is completely ignoring the reality of that series.

Go see the 5 on 5 points thread and there's absolutely no argument that can suggest this is a 1 week problem.

You suggesting they may figure it out is a fair opinion.
Suggesting we aren't likely to get good trade value is also fair.
Suggesting this is a 1 week problem is completely false.

TheOnlyBilko · 04-20-2019, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

That's a misrepresentation of what people are saying. I don't think anybody wants to blow the team up and go back into a rebuild. Trading a core player does not mean we're rebuilding.

We traded 2 core players last off season, yup and it wasn't a rebuild and Hamilton wss part of our "upper core"

TheOnlyBilko · 04-20-2019, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Gaudreau for Point. I rather trade the 26 year old for the 23 year than the 29 year old especially since Point is from Calgary.

Point is from Calgary but was a Canucks fan ugh

Scroopy Noopers · 04-20-2019, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blender

Speaking of trade partners, what of the leafs and specifically Nylander?
What would it take to get him and how much can he help the Flames?

I have been witness to an unfortunate amount of leafs games due to my new home.

He’s so lazy. And makes so many bad plays. He’s everything we as a fan base despise in the negatives of Gaudreau’s and Brodie’s games combined.

dammage79 · 04-20-2019, 08:01 PM

In the world of Gaudreau being traded, you target Philly IMO. Patrick and an assortment of goodies. Their 2019 1st and Vorobyov. They're not moving Carter Hart or Provoroc and we dont need the likes of Ghost.

And I honestly think Konecny is untouchable for them too

But that 2019 1st can grab you a killer sniper in Arthur Kaliyev. I'd do that for Gaudreau. And I think Philly would too. Marketing hometown boy would be worth it alone.