[PGT] Avs 3 Flames 2 on the brink

[redforever]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Lol at the posters saying Peters is getting out-coached. Calgary led late in 2 of the last 3 losses. Could very well be up 3-1. Peters has coached this team well all year. It’s sports. Someone has to lose.

Yeah but the question is who did Peters put on the ice in the last 2 or 3 minutes? James Neal? Come on, one of the worst Flames all year and he is on the ice at a crucial part of the game? A man that is slower than molasses?

[Racki]

It’s just sinking in today for me, this season is most likely to end in the next few days. God I’m disappointed, I just thought this years team was different.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You doubt a half million extra take home per year affects his decision?

I doubt it has a serious effect on how much the player is willing to sign for. If it was the case you would see vast discrepancies between a place like New York and a low taxation state like Florida. Or a place like Toronto versus a low taxation state.

I doubt Stone went into the negotiations with an after tax salary ask that varied from city to city. There is really no evidence that says that players sign for more or less based on that.

Jamie Benn signed for 9.5 million in a state with no income tax 2 years ago. Does that mean he would not have signed elsewhere for the same amount?

California has basically about a 12 percent state income tax rate. Does Drew Doughty sign for 1.5 million less in Dallas or Florida or Vegas based on the take home difference. Seems doubtful.

I suspect Stone would have signed the same deal in Calgary as he would have in Vegas.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Only because of Smith.

Hell of a coaching decision.

[zamler]

Has this been posted?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by zamler

Has this been posted?

The image is so large it takes up all of page 46.

[Jbo]

So if I’m reading that, Nathan Mackinnon leads all players in OZ time, shots and chances, meanwhile, Flames are bottom in allowing chances.

Story checks out

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Among the flames, I'm most surprised by Backlund and Tkachuk. We already knew about Brodie and Neal and Janko. We knew the top line was in a funk. The 2nd line was supposed to be our consistent backbone. Backlund lead all forwards in +/-. Tkachuk's pesky game is supposed to rise in the playoffs. I was not expecting them to be as poor as they have been.

You shouldn’t be surprised with Backlund, this is who he is. He’s played decent defensively but has the finishing ability of a 4th liner at times and is not an offensive catalyst. He’s a 3C


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[Psytic]

What are Smiths numbers compared to the other 16 teams? He has to be the runaway MVP of the goalies right now.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

In a series where basically a single line, maybe even a single player, is roasting the entire roster, the answer to whether a point per game Selke nominee would impact the series is a scream-it-from-the-top-of-a-mountain YES

It’s not just Mackinnon though. He’s not the one shutting down the top line.

I’m not convinced Stone turns the series around. By certain metrics Flames are having the worst series of the 16 teams in the playoffs. If Stone was that good, he would single handedly have gotten Ottawa to the playoffs.

We’ll never know but this kind of performance is exactly why Treliving was reluctant to go all in IMO.

[Psytic]

I kind of knew something like this would happen I remember Colorado taking us to task every game in the regular season then they would fall asleep and we would take over and dominate them. Only now in the playoffs they aren't falling asleep, they are playing the same way as they did in the first period of those games all the way through.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Psytic

The image is so large it takes up all of page 46.

I've gone ahead and resized it for your device.

[AC]

Originally Posted by zamler

I've gone ahead and resized it for your device.

The ones you posted weren't large. The ones posted earlier that he referred to are 1920 x 1080 each.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by AC

The ones you posted weren't large. The ones posted earlier that he referred to are 1920 x 1080 each.

Ah, figured someone might have posted them.

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by Psytic

What are Smiths numbers compared to the other 16 teams? He has to be the runaway MVP of the goalies right now.

He's 5th in SV% at .931. Lehner is tops at .956 so Smith isn't too far off the lead. He's had almost 30 more shots against than the next closest goalie (Anderson). If there was a way to account for fatigue using shots against then you would have to put Smith near the top of the list. Not only has he had to make a ton of saves but how many have been 5 alarm bell chances? With the way things are going, Smith may face more shots in the first round than some guys will through 2 rounds.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I kind of knew something like this would happen I remember Colorado taking us to task every game in the regular season then they would fall asleep and we would take over and dominate them. Only now in the playoffs they aren't falling asleep, they are playing the same way as they did in the first period of those games all the way through.

I kind of had a similar thought. When you re-watch highlights, Colorado comes out flying and likes to score early. But even then, the goals they’ve scored in the season series looked difficult to replicate. A lot of bounces and weird goals.

The thing that confuses me the most though is that even when the Avalanche’s season was on the line against teams vying for the final 8th seed (i.e. Blackhawks, Coyotes), this team looked easily shut down. They were outplayed and outshot terribly like 42-20 and 44-27 and etc. I remember watching those games and thinking give me the Avalanche, we’ll crush em.

None of this makes any sense to me. Colorado isn’t the greatest team of all time. They shouldn’t be getting 80+ shot attempts every game from the number 1 team in shots against this year. These games shouldn’t be this exciting as weird as that sounds. Why have juggernaut offensive teams lost to low scoring trapping teams in the past?

Personally I think it’s something we’re not doing right now. Guys like Erik Johnson shouldn’t be able to just skate from his zone all the way to the offensive zone in a straight line untouched. The Flames are allowing these guys to generate so much speed through the neutral zone and it’s causing all kinda of havoc afterwards.


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[bigrangy]

^dump and change with an optional forecheck and backcheck will do that for you

Also, and it’s been something that I’ve felt for a while, the Flames have terrible discipline with their line changes. So often, a clear opportunity to make a change is there, but they stay out and then are gassed when an offensive opportunity presents itself.

And they’re still shell-shocked after getting trounced by Mackinnon so often, they’re playing scared

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I kind of had a similar thought. When you re-watch highlights, Colorado comes out flying and likes to score early. But even then, the goals they’ve scored in the season series looked difficult to replicate. A lot of bounces and weird goals.

The thing that confuses me the most though is that even when the Avalanche’s season was on the line against teams vying for the final 8th seed (i.e. Blackhawks, Coyotes), this team looked easily shut down. They were outplayed and outshot terribly like 42-20 and 44-27 and etc. I remember watching those games and thinking give me the Avalanche, we’ll crush em.

None of this makes any sense to me. Colorado isn’t the greatest team of all time. They shouldn’t be getting 80+ shot attempts every game from the number 1 team in shots against this year. These games shouldn’t be this exciting as weird as that sounds. Why have juggernaut offensive teams lost to low scoring trapping teams in the past?

Personally I think it’s something we’re not doing right now. Guys like Erik Johnson shouldn’t be able to just skate from his zone all the way to the offensive zone in a straight line untouched. The Flames are allowing these guys to generate so much speed through the neutral zone and it’s causing all kinda of havoc afterwards.


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I agree with this, the entire thing is odd and I can't seem to put my finger on it. Obviously neither can Peters or the Flames. Colorado isn't that good, we are somehow making them look like world beaters. I don't get it.

The Flames have some how turned MacKinnon into Mario. He was never any more dominate this season than Johnny was. Its odd.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

None of this makes any sense to me. Colorado isn’t the greatest team of all time. They shouldn’t be getting 80+ shot attempts every game from the number 1 team in shots against this year. These games shouldn’t be this exciting as weird as that sounds. Why have juggernaut offensive teams lost to low scoring trapping teams in the past?

The Avs will be ousted next round, I'm fairly certain. They are a one dimensional team with a very good top line but no depth. The problem is the Flames saw Mackinnon and got scared. Instead of upping their compete level when seeing that, they cowered and acted like they were witnessing the second coming who they had no chance against.

The Avs are not this good. The Flames have fragile mentality when it comes to the emotional war that is the playoffs. Reminds me of the Mike Tyson phrase "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". Well the Flames got punched in the mouth and got traumatized instead of punching back.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by AC

Remember Treliving said the ask for Stone was Valimaki + Rasmus + 1st.

No, he didn't. He said "but when people are asking for your Valimakis, your Andersons, your first, you have to step back" (or something along those lines). That does not mean Vegas wanted Valimaki + Anderson+ a 1st. It means those were assets that were asked for in the deal.

GMs never come out and say exactly what was offered in a deal that fell through.