Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Muta

Ah, gotcha. so no actual source then.

Writes article cautionary in nature to UCP's claims, must be an NDPer. Couldn't possibly be a centrist or conservative herself.

It's possible although but to me it sounds like the bitterness of a person who's party lost as she's calling out Albertans for supporting a party she clearly does not. If you are this angry about the prospect of a UCP government it makes some sense you may vote for the party that has the best odds of ensuring that doesn't happen.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Maybe for most people with bills to pay and mouths to feed social progressivism isn't the number one issue

Its really not that complicated

I also feel that Alberta gets a bad wrap when it comes to progressiveness as Calgary was after all the first large North American city to elect a Muslim mayor. I just don't understand how people think the UCP getting into power is somehow turn the calendar back to different times.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I also feel that Alberta gets a bad wrap when it comes to progressiveness as Calgary was after all the first large North American city to elect a Muslim mayor. I just don't understand how people think the UCP getting into power is somehow turn the calendar back to different times.

It always goes like this. I find it hilarious.

They ask everyone what they want, they answer jobs, economy, lower taxes, less government spending.

Then acted shocked that people don't vote against what they believe is the best option for those things because a candidate said something homophobic 5 years ago. Just because the NDP keep repeating it, doesn't make people care about GSA's or progressiveness. It's like number 20 on the priority list.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

This is probably zero per cent true. The difference is you are too young to know how much free time you actually have.

Whatever old man! Go yell at a cloud!

But seriously: I should have realised my comment would irk so many grey hairs. I generally believe people 30-50 are probably about the same amount of busy, though I imagine things are busier in your thirties with young kids than it is when the teens want nothing to do with you.

Nobody has a problem painting young people as lazy, even though baby boomers basically left us with little to build off so many of us work just as hard to create half the life you had.

But yeah, “lazy.”

Retirees though... get a hobby.

[Ozy_Flame]

"Priority List" is a subjective term. That's in the eye of the beholder.

We'll admit that the economy is important for some people, if you admit that basic rights and protections are important for some people.

And the important will be placed at the hands of voters, and not defined by anyone here, let alone you.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

"Priority List" is a subjective term. That's in the eye of the beholder.

We'll admit that the economy is important for some people, if you admit that basic rights and protections are important for some people.

And the important will be placed at the hands of voters, and not defined by anyone here, let alone you.

I don't have any trouble admitting that. If someone's sole reason for voting is gay rights, good for them.

Just don't act shocked when the majority of people vote for the economy.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

"Priority List" is a subjective term. That's in the eye of the beholder.

We'll admit that the economy is important for some people, if you admit that basic rights and protections are important for some people.

And the important will be placed at the hands of voters, and not defined by anyone here, let alone you.

It's a pretty big leap that anyone's basic rights and protections would be at risk if the UCP was elected. The NDP has been trying their hardest to make it sound like Kenny is going to be going to war on the LGBT community and other groups, but there hasn't really been any real substantiation to it.

Even the GSA drum they keep beating isn't that big of an issue when the School Act and Education Act are compared. People have been trying hard to keep sound bites about cancelling GSAs and mandatory reporting in the headlines, hoping (and probably succeeding) that people won't actually put the two side by side and compare them.

I honestly think the NDP would have fared much better in the election had they run a campaign based on their polices and what they felt were their accomplishments and not a mostly "Jason Kenny is evil" approach. The vote spread tomorrow should also be a good barometer for Trudeau to look at when the Liberals are deciding what type of campaign to run.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

It's a pretty big leap that anyone's basic rights and freedoms would be at risk if the UCP was elected. The NDP has been trying their hardest to make it sound like Kenny is going to be going to war on the LGBT community and other groups, but there hasn't really been any real substantiation to it.

Even the GSA drum they keep beating isn't that big of an issue when the School Act and Education Act are compared. People have been trying hard to keep sound bites about cancelling GSAs and mandatory reporting in the headlines, hoping (and probably succeeding) that people won't actually put the two side by side and compare them.

"Kenney proposes the same rules as the rest of Canada, including Wynne for GSA's"

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

[Ozy_Flame]

GSA and LGBTQ issues are a big issue in my books being in the community I know, and repealing GSA protections is a ridiculous, ideological-driven stunt that wasn't necessary. This IS a big deal to some people, even if more people are voting for the economy.

But we have already gone over this a million times.

Some people want Oil and Gas back with a fury, and double meat at Subway. Great, but that's not what everyone wants as what our Government should be focusing on (or in Kenney's case, quacking about to anyone who will listen).

Let's not have cloudy understandings of what Albertans want - we all don't have the same priorities because we are all in different life circumstances. The UCP does not represent me nor a lot of other people, much like the NDP or AP don't represent a lot of people.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

GSA and LGBTQ issues are a big issue in my books being in the community I know, and repealing GSA protections is a ridiculous, ideological-driven stunt that wasn't necessary. This IS a big deal to some people, even if more people are voting for the economy.

But we have already gone over this a million times.

Some people want Oil and Gas back with a fury, and double meat at Subway. Great, but that's not what everyone wants as what our Government should be focusing on (or in Kenney's case, quacking about to anyone who will listen).

Let's not have cloudy understandings of what Albertans want - we all don't have the same priorities because we are all in different life circumstances. The UCP does not represent me nor a lot of other people, much like the NDP or AP don't represent a lot of people.

They do priority polls constantly. It's consistently been economy, pipeline, jobs, healthcare. Over and over again. I'm not attempting to speak for everyone, I'm talking about statistics.

I am not invalidating your belief that having GSA policies be more restrictive than what Wynne had in Ontario is more important than the government supporting the oil industry. That's up to you. But from a statistical point of view, the two things aren't even comparable.

Lots of people have stated quite loudly that they do think the government should be focusing on the oil industry. That's their priorities this election, nothing else really matters.

[Ozy_Flame]

Great, and you need to realize that some Albertans don't see Oil as a priority, much as it may be frustrating to people who think it is a priority.

There are plenty of people who are doing very well and are happy in this province with our without the oil and gas industry. It is important to remember this.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Kind of taking a shot at Albertans no? She's right in some ways that we do blame Ottawa for a lot of our issues (plenty warranted) as well as our self-inflicted issues (we did vote in an NDP government after all) but I get the vibe of sour grapes that her party of choice (NDP) may be out.

I don't think you need to take a look much more than the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion to get a sense of how right she is.

I want Trudeau out as much as any Albertan but ask the average Albertan why the project has been stalled (or denied as many seem to think) and they'll blame Trudeau. They don't know that the Trudeau government approved the project, that they supported it and continue to do so. The general idea is that Trudeau is unilateral against pipelines.

The reason it isn't under construction is because the independent Federal Court of Appeal (no less by a panel consisting of Harper appointed judges) ruled that the NEB/Governor in Council messed up. This was completely out of Trudeau's hands and opposite to what he wanted and costly to him. But the average Albertan will still blame Trudeau for the Trans Mountain delays.

Keep in mind that pretty much anyone in this thread has more understanding of the issues than 99% of Albertans, but the average Albertan still thinks the pipeline issues are an "us vs them" mentality of Conservatives vs NDP/Liberals without any understanding of the nuances of what actually happened in this specific case - nor do they care to be informed.

Even equalization payments, the current formula for the most part was created by the Conservatives (when Kenney was federal).

Carbon taxes - fair enough, crucify Trudeau for that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Great, and you need to realize that some Albertans don't see Oil as a priority, much as it may be frustrating to people who think it is a priority.

There are plenty of people who are doing very well and are happy in this province with our without the oil and gas industry. It is important to remember this.

No. There arent. And if they think they are....they're part of the problem.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

No. There arent. And if they think they are....they're part of the problem.

People who are doing ok despite the downturn in oil and gas are part of the problem? Now we’ve heard everything in this thread

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Locke

No. There arent. And if they think they are....they're part of the problem.

WTF is this comment... how completely out of touch. Good lord.

[stone hands]

I mean I specifically seeked out a job at a company that wasn't oil and gas related after taking 2 seperate 9% paycuts at my oil and gas job in the same year before being laid off, and I couldn't be happier making a little bit less money with the comfort of knowing my entire world isnt going to come crashing down at a given moment based on a commodity price we have no control over

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Locke

No. There arent. And if they think they are....they're part of the problem.

Come on Locke, that's a pretty silly statement from a smart guy. There are lots of people employed in industries 100% insulated from Oil and Gas.

There are lots of industries in Calgary where the bulk, if not 100% of their customers are not even in Alberta.

That doesn't mean those people should say "screw everyone else, I got mine" but it does need to be understood that a world where a decent amount of the population is shielded from the boom/bust of energy is possible.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Locke

No. There arent. And if they think they are....they're part of the problem.

Come on man, you and I hardly agree on anything and I hate personal shots, but this is the dumbest thing you've ever written.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Locke's just moody after we made fun of his camper.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Locke's just moody after we made fun of his camper.

No. That’s not his camper. And if you think it is....you’re part of the problem.