Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I think the problem with the "solutions" being proposed would be found unconstitutional in about 5 seconds.

Well just like BC can take every single stupid thing they can think of to court and allow them to decide, I suggest Alberta can and should do the same thing. Hopefully it causes enough discomfort to the lower mainland to allow some reasonable discussions to occur and a negotiated deal to be put in place. They don't seem to care one iota what pain they have put AB through, so turn about is fair play.

As has been said repeatedly....this is not a fight AB wanted but it has been brought to us. It has to be fought both at the province to province level AND against Ottawa. Both have been kicking the crap out of an injured bunch for years now...it is time to get up a start throat slamming them back.

The whole "play nice and acquiesce" in order to get something done that every other jurisdiction in the world has no problem doing, has been an unmitigated disaster by the NDP.

Its time to drop the gloves and start swinging.

[stang]

The economy is in the tank. Investors have fled the country. 1/3 of Calgary downtown is empty. More jobs losses expected. We aren’t any closer to a pipeline or even a solution then we were 4 years ago. Our Hospital spending has increased but has it helped? Notley has hurt Alberta no doubt. I can’t even fathom her coming back. Her sit there and watch oil die is going to hurt us all.

Anyone up for some Nuculear Reactors?

[Flames0910]

Turning off the taps, as good as it would feel, is the easiest way to turn the fencesitters in BC against us. We’d go from a majority supporting pipelines (6/10) to nobody supporting us literally overnight.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Turning off the taps, as good as it would feel, is the easiest way to turn the fencesitters in BC against us. We’d go from a majority supporting pipelines (6/10) to nobody supporting us literally overnight.

That majority sure is helping eh?

[OMG!WTF!]

Expropriation of the land for the energy corridor? Federal solution, not unconstitutional.

Using armed forces, potentially could be right but why is this unconstitutional? A court injunction may be imposed but I believe the feds could draw up a bill declaring this project as a national emergency and or as a critical infrastructure project in the best interests of the population and then use armed forces (only if necessary due to protests) to get it done. Pretty sure this is an option but could be wrong. Federal solution.

Sorry what is unconstitutional about creating laws in Alberta restricting flow to BC?

There are 3 options right there. I think the bigger problem is the instant no-sayers because of how things will build tension and escalate and Canadians don’t like those solutions even though sometimes they are necessary like they are now.

The first two are federal issues that have nothing to do with an Alberta politician's promises to fix TMX. Kenney is not about to form an army and take land in BC. And the 3rd is very likely unconstitutional once it passes into law. It's not law yet. I can't find the quote but David Khan was saying on the radio yesterday it would just cause further delays and we would be laughed out of court trying to defend that one. And withholding transfer payments or taxes just has the smell of unconstitutionality to me. Just a hunch though.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Turning off the taps, as good as it would feel, is the easiest way to turn the fencesitters in BC against us. We’d go from a majority supporting pipelines (6/10) to nobody supporting us literally overnight.

Who cares?

What has that accomplished to this point?


This is simple stuff. They want a fight, give it to them.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Weitz

That majority sure is helping eh?

What would you like them to do? March on Victoria and overthrow the government? Until the next BC election there's basically nothing that can be done, and that's not for another 30 months. Worst thing that could be done is to antagonize BC voters in that time.

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Weitz

That majority sure is helping eh?

Yes, I believe Trans Mountain will get built after the feds finish their court-mandated consultation.

It’s also worth mentioning there’s a massive LNG project going through Kitimat that’s currently trying to fly under the radar. If attitudes to pipelines change overnight it’s going to have a rocky ride.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by stang

Anyone up for some Nuculear Reactors?

If I were running for Premier, that would be my main plank. Alberta has a lot of uranium, as does Sask. It looks like BC is going to need extra electricity, even with Site C. They've also kiboshed a lot of their renewable energy projects.

If I were mayor of Calgary, my main plank would be to convince Microsoft, Amazon IBM and Rackspace to open multiple datacenters here.

People talk about infrastructure, but there is little actual tech infrastructure here.

Unfortunately our current mayor is a self-absorbed techno-luddite.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Yes, I believe Trans Mountain will get built after the feds finish their court-mandated consultation.

It’s also worth mentioning there’s a massive LNG project going through Kitimat that’s currently trying to fly under the radar. If attitudes to pipelines change overnight it’s going to have a rocky ride.

That's hardly under the radar. BC produces a ton of natural gas and they want to ship it overseas.

Keep this in mind when you think about anything at all, because it will help you every time you deal with somebody: What are their own self-interests?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Shazam

If I were running for Premier, that would be my main plank. Alberta has a lot of uranium, as does Sask. It looks like BC is going to need extra electricity, even with Site C. They've also kiboshed a lot of their renewable energy projects.

I'd be good with diversifying the economy by building small nuclear weapons for sale to rogue nations.



We'd be rich.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

The first two are federal issues that have nothing to do with an Alberta politician's promises to fix TMX. Kenney is not about to form an army and take land in BC. And the 3rd is very likely unconstitutional once it passes into law. It's not law yet. I can't find the quote but David Khan was saying on the radio yesterday it would just cause further delays and we would be laughed out of court trying to defend that one. And withholding transfer payments or taxes just has the smell of unconstitutionality to me. Just a hunch though.

Exactly, and the feds have failed miserably at doing their job in this case. So you take the fight to them...hence the referendum to reopen the equalization formulas.

As for appropriation, its not like a Liberal PM hasn't used that exact clause before when it was in the best interest of the country...against an NDP premier to boot!

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-lost-horribly

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

What would you like them to do? March on Victoria and overthrow the government? Until the next BC election there's basically nothing that can be done, and that's not for another 30 months. Worst thing that could be done is to antagonize BC voters in that time.

I few months of $2/L+ gasoline may start having people demand a shift in rhetoric from their government.

But lets just sit on our hands with a hope and a prayer.

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Yes, I believe Trans Mountain will get built after the feds finish their court-mandated consultation.

I don't share the same optimism.

[Ozy_Flame]

Can we just wait until the consultations are done in May/June before we raise pitchforks and move our UCP infantry into Ottawa to burn it down?

I have a feeling the next government is going to create a lot of unnecessary, antagonizing noise outside of Alberta that will waste taxpayer dollars and do nothing to expedite the process of getting pipelines built.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Can we just wait until the consultations are done in May/June before we raise pitchforks and move our UCP infantry into Ottawa to burn it down?

I have a feeling the next government is going to create a lot of unnecessary, antagonizing noise outside of Alberta that will waste taxpayer dollars and do nothing to expedite the process of getting pipelines built.

That's likely exactly what they plan to do... Wait to see what happens in may and then go from there if/when there is even more delays.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Can we just wait until the consultations are done in May/June before we raise pitchforks and move our UCP infantry into Ottawa to burn it down?

I have a feeling the next government is going to create a lot of unnecessary, antagonizing noise outside of Alberta that will waste taxpayer dollars and do nothing to expedite the process of getting pipelines built.

The only problem with this and its now beyond our control is that various environmental groups have already pre-prepared lawsuits against the government and pipeline that they will file as soon as the Federal Government grants approval.


Unfortunately one of the decisions that the Federal Government should have made but didn't was to appeal the FAC ruling so that we could get a hard definition of what consultation means. Instead they just went back with a guess of what consultation means. I would fully expect that there will be no construction this year.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I few months of $2/L+ gasoline may start having people demand a shift in rhetoric from their government.

But lets just sit on our hands with a hope and a prayer..

NDP will probably subsidize gas prices to keep it down. Then what? Unfortunately patience is the best approach here. NDP isn't going to force a snap election right now by pissing off the Greens. As much as people want this to be straightforward, it's just not. Trying to bully this through is unlikely to work and is more likely to have the opposite effect of hardening opposition.

[CaptainCrunch]

Story about Bill C-48 and the Notley meeting with the Senators


https://calgaryherald.com/business/l...0-ef54ec838f95

The most recent trigger is a little known bill, C-48. It would fulfill a Trudeau campaign promise and see Alberta crude oil banned from being tankered out from a key commercial shipping lane in Canada, the first time any oil product has faced such discriminatory treatment. If the ban goes ahead, it will be perfectly OK to tanker American, Saudi, Algerian or Norwegian oil into Quebec or New Brunswick, and to tanker Newfoundland oil for export, but not Alberta oilsands crude out of the major ports on the northwest B.C. coast.


The move will cripple oilsands exports to Asia. It’s also unnecessary. Marine experts have repeatedly told the Senate that new double-hull tankers and tug boat guardian ships can safely move the oil out to sea.

Quebec Sen. Julie Miville-Dechene raised the main sticking point, the possibility of an oil spill.


Reasonable safety measures can and must be taken, Notley assured her, but fairness demands we must not target a particular product with standards that are way out of whack compared to our standards for moving other products.
The coastal Aboriginal tribes want zero risk and also see the ban as a gesture of reconciliation, Miville-Dechene pointed out, so what about that?

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

NDP will probably subsidize gas prices to keep it down. Then what? Unfortunately patience is the best approach here. NDP isn't going to force a snap election right now by pissing off the Greens. As much as people want this to be straightforward, it's just not. Trying to bully this through is unlikely to work and is more likely to have the opposite effect of hardening opposition.

Could we just try bullying once to see if that will work. I mean, Notley's compromise and social license approach didn't work, might as well try the bullying approach.

Say what you will about bullies in junior high and high school, at least they got things done.

Spoiler!

I don't really need green text, do I?

[transplant99]

The most recent trigger is a little known bill, C-48. It would fulfill a Trudeau campaign promise and see Alberta crude oil banned from being tankered out from a key commercial shipping lane in Canada, the first time any oil product has faced such discriminatory treatment. If the ban goes ahead, it will be perfectly OK to tanker American, Saudi, Algerian or Norwegian oil into Quebec or New Brunswick, and to tanker Newfoundland oil for export, but not Alberta oilsands crude out of the major ports on the northwest B.C. coast.


Can anyone explain how this is ANYTHING but trying to destroy this provinces major economic driver while actually increasing imports from human right abusing countries?

Junior fulfilling daddys desires.

Its abhorrent, transparent and must be fought at any turn.

Completely outrageous this kind of thing is being allowed in a country like this one is supposed to be.