Next stop legalized Polygamy

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

It has??? Ok if you want to compare prehistoric humans to today.....sure.....even tho then I am sure the man could kill the women without any consequences.....But ok it worked.

Where was I comparing?

There is absolutely no point to your post. You say it would never work, it has. Your retort is something about comparing to prehistoric humans...??? Then something about man killing women then, which has no factor into anything to do with the argument.

Good point

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Where was I comparing?

There is absolutely no point to your post. You say it would never work, it has. Your retort is something about comparing to prehistoric humans...??? Then something about man killing women then, which has no factor into anything to do with the argument.

Good point

Lets see...what did you write?

Oh yes

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Read Guns, Germs and Steel. Polygamy was commonly practised in hunter/gatherers, but faded to monogomy when society moved towards agriculture

So you are the one that brought up this idea that it worked.....ya in pre-historic times.....just because it happened doesn't mean it worked.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

You mean every other species besides human's who practise polygamy?

Read Guns, Germs and Steel. Polygamy was commonly practised in hunter/gatherers, but faded to monogomy when society moved towards agriculture.

Read Our Inner Ape. Monogamy gave us an advantage over our surroundings and essentially enabled us to build societies and culture.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

So you are the one that brought up this idea that it worked.....ya in pre-historic times.....just because it happened doesn't mean it worked.

Do you really like being wrong or something?

Do you know why humans moved from polygamy to monogamy?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by peter12

Read Our Inner Ape. Monogamy gave us an advantage over our surroundings and essentially enabled us to build societies and culture.

Interesting, what did they say monogamy gave us the advantage?

Monogamy prevailed because agriculture prevailed, not because polygamy failed. Socities and culture were built on monogamy, because of war; societies that were able to evolve fastest were those that could specialize their skills and produce food. By having agriculture produce food on large levels, other skills prevailed, like blacksmiths; it also enabled men to go off to war.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I wouldn't argue that many Mormons are good people. Salvation has
nothing to do with how good a person is. Salvation has everything to do with how good God is. There isn't a Catholic, Baptist or Mormon who
has ever lived that was good enough to enter Heaven.

Nice one.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Interesting, what did they say monogamy gave us the advantage?

Monogamy prevailed because agriculture prevailed, not because polygamy failed. Socities and culture were built on monogamy, because of war; societies that were able to evolve fastest were those that could specialize their skills and produce food. By having agriculture produce food on large levels, other skills prevailed, like blacksmiths; it also enabled men to go off to war.

It really focuses on 3 broad points.

1) It enabled us to "hide" sex away. That is, to stop making sex such an uncontrolled and central part of our life. This gave us the opportunity to focus on other things.

2) It gave us a secure place, with constant guardians and role models, in order to raise stable children.

3) It strengthens and emphasizes natural genetic gender roles.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by peter12

It really focuses on 3 broad points.

1) It enabled us to "hide" sex away. That is, to stop making sex such an uncontrolled and central part of our life. This gave us the opportunity to focus on other things.

2) It gave us a secure place, with constant guardians and role models, in order to raise stable children.

3) It strengthens and emphasizes natural genetic gender roles.

And how does Monogamy hide sex away (1) and strengthen gender roles (3)

(I'm to assume by 'strengthen gender roles' they don't mean a housewives?)

[Hakan]

Natural genetic gender roles.

Laugh.

Okay...

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Do you really like being wrong or something?

Do you know why humans moved from polygamy to monogamy?

What?? You attack me by saying this:

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Where was I comparing?

There is absolutely no point to your post. You say it would never work, it has. Your retort is something about comparing to prehistoric humans...???

I show you exactly why I posted what I did, and it was right....now you say "Do you really like being wrong or something?"

How is that wrong??? I was right.

You posted that polygamy happened in the past....then you assume that since it happened in the past....it was a success. Nice Logic.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Natural genetic gender roles.

Laugh.

Okay...

Really.....are you trying to say there is not natural genetic gender roles? Especially back in the days of the hunter/gather society?

[Hakan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Really.....are you trying to say there is not natural genetic gender roles? Especially back in the days of the hunter/gather society?

Pretty much.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I show you exactly why I posted what I did, and it was right....now you say "Do you really like being wrong or something?"

How is that wrong??? I was right.

You posted that polygamy happened in the past....then you assume that since it happened in the past....it was a success. Nice Logic.

Laugh.... you're not right, you don't even know what I'm taking about.

Maybe I should correct that, you really enjoy talking about things you have no idea what you're talking about.

You said it only worked in theory; that is wrong. It worked for an era, but fell due to issues with food and soverignty, not polygamy.

I assume that if its happened, that means that its proof that it happens. I made no guerentees that it would work today.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Pretty much.

So I guess women were genetically made to go hunt the tigers and wolves and do all the physical work......ok.

Just so you understand....we are talking about the prehistoric times.....not yesterday or today.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Laugh.... you're not right, you don't even know what I'm taking about.

Maybe I should correct that, you really enjoy talking about things you have no idea what you're talking about.

You said it only worked in theory; that is wrong. It worked for an era, but fell due to issues with food and soverignty, not polygamy.

I assume that if its happened, that means that its proof that it happens. I made no guerentees that it would work today.

You're the one that looks like a fool.....the entire discussion was on polygamy in our society today....then you swoop in and say

These things...

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

You mean every other species besides human's who practise polygamy?

Read Guns, Germs and Steel. Polygamy was commonly practised in hunter/gatherers, but faded to monogomy when society moved towards agriculture

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Or, it could open up oppertunities for women to pursue a career. By having a "larger family" of multiple parents, it would give more freedom for women to pursue higher education (ie. graduate school) and careers without being sattled to 2 parent system.

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

That you said its all theory and would never work

It has

Making it appear that since it worked then it will work now (and you have provided no proof that it work then).

Yet then you say

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I made no guerentees that it would work today

Nice one....

Which the entire time I was talking about polygamy today....only mentioning it in the past when you brought it up.

So go ahead an throw around things like:

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Maybe I should correct that, you really enjoy talking about things you have no idea what you're talking about

But it is you that are coming off like you know nothing....better luck next time.

[Phanuthier]

Responding to the origanal post: You said polygamy is only theoretical and wouldn't work. You are wrong, it has.

Thanks for coming out. Better luck next time.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Hakan

Pretty much.

Female as a peacekeeper and Male as a peacemaker.

This one of the most fundamental roles between the genders. Backed up by plenty of scientific evidence. One is not better than the other, they complement one another perfectly.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

And how does Monogamy hide sex away (1) and strengthen gender roles (3)

(I'm to assume by 'strengthen gender roles' they don't mean a housewives?)

Monogamy forces human beings to make a tradeoff in regards to sex. On hand, in a healthy relationship, they are guaranteed sex. But, they also are restrained to a single partner. It essentially strengthens personal discipline, as well as a host of other human traits. Loyalty etc...

Look, I'm not saying that all polygamy doesn't work, or that by itself it is immoral (although personally I believe it is, but I can't expect others to think the same). What I am saying is that polygamy as the basis for a society, or even given equal recognition to monogamy in a society, is simply not healthy.

To sounds slightly ethnocentric here, monogamy is clearly the superior social base. I guess it depends on what a definition of success is, but societies that hold monogamous relationships to be superior, are more capable of adaption and at social mobilization.

[FlamesAddiction]

How many humans are truly monogamous though? I've seen some studies that suggest 2/3rds of people cheat on their partners.

[Calgaryborn]

I find it revealing that one has to go to prehistoric times to identify
polygamy that worked. You all realize that "prehistoric" means there
is no history and the evidence we've got is a few cave paintings, some
bones and primitive tools. The rest is speculation.

By the way what is the standard behide the statement "It worked before".
Lets assume that these folks before history were polygamists. Was it fulfilling for the women? Did it provide security for the children. Did it lack all the problems we find in historical polygamy? Define "worked" please.