Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

David Khan's reply...

https://twitter.com/Dave_Khan/status...13495261618176

Kinda feel bad for a guy who's polling 2%, and has to make a reply like that knowing he's full of it, but can't just quit.

His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Shazam

His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I would also mention that a consumption tax favours the rich, as the money spent by the poor and middle class remain somewhat constant to reach the necessities of life. The rich however can simply bank money and either spend in another jurisdiction, or sit on it. (You would have to look at it as spending as a percentage of income, rather than total money spent)

You know they don't charge GST on [most] groceries, prescription drugs, etc. right? The list of exempted items could probably be expanded, but when you factor in GST rebates, the poor aren't particularly harmed.

Obviously, consumer spending is good for the economy. On the other hand, I think the proliferation of thoughtless consumerism (especially in NA) hasn't been particularly good for society or the environment. Carbon taxes are better at targeting 'goods' over services, but I think there is more potential to incentivize better consumer choices through targeted taxation (sugar tax, etc.). A well designed PST could be a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3685140



That took 2 seconds to find.

So...you're proving his point? A 3% drop in some of the worst times...not exactly turning off the taps of sales tax revenue.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Shazam

His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

But isn’t he a constitutional lawyer? I’ve heard the rumours

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Rando

@Corsi and @Pepsi

NDP take the lead

Spoiler!

The UCP will be devastated with those numbers

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1115390606342156288

[OMG!WTF!]

It just never ends with these guys..

https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/201...-biblical.html

sic) I would suggest that by virtue of voting for or even defending a government which: supports gay marriage although biblically marriage is between man and woman, endorses a minimum living wage although biblically a man who chooses not to work shall not eat, and says that if you are pro life you can not represent their party although biblically we are not supposed to murder, then one may need to self-examine to figure out if they are ‘Liberal’ or ‘Christian,’” Long wrote.

[MrButtons]

Alright so normally don't post but follow things pretty closely, but after much deliberation i think a minority government for either party is best. Although this thread is fairly civilized the rest of what I read can be a bit more on the vicious side.

IMO we need to take a bit of breath and reset, start going back to cooperation instead of these personal attacks and ads. Especially between the two parties supposed to be competing to run the province.

And thanks to everyone who consistently posts updates and their opinions, although I don't necessarily agree with a lot of them; I appreciate the honest discussion and alternative points of view. Thanks CP!

[Ozy_Flame]

Whoever wins needs to be building bridges for all Albertans, not just their voters and party members. We're all in this together, attacking each other isn't going to help.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Whoever wins needs to be building bridges for all Albertans, not just their voters and party members. We're all in this together, attacking each other isn't going to help.

Totally agree. I struggle with the "you're either with me or against me" views. I can like different things spread out across party platforms, just because I align with the UCP or AP, doesn't mean I can't agree with certain things the NDP does! This isn't a competitive sport haha

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Dion

The UCP will be devastated with those numbers

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1115390606342156288

Obviously you're good at the twitter, but do you constantly need to post nothing but tweets? We're all capable of following people on twitter.

[Robo]

I was just talking to my wife about how a minority government would probably be best.... God I hate election time its absolutley ridiculous how some people act

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Alright so normally don't post but follow things pretty closely, but after much deliberation i think a minority government for either party is best. Although this thread is fairly civilized the rest of what I read can be a bit more on the vicious side.

A minority government is a virtual impossibility. All other parties combined are going to win between 0 and 1 seats.

Ignoring the fact that it would take a miracle for the NDP to get to exactly 43 seats, the fact that they'd lose a voting MLA to the speaker position means their government would fall likely before the year is out. And if the Lieutenant Governor gives Kenney a shot after, it wouldn't last much longer.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3685140



That took 2 seconds to find.

If you took more than 2 seconds, you would have realised that Alberta consumer spending still increased in 2016 over 2015, just like 2015 increased over 2014, and 2013, etc.

While it may fluctuate quarter to quarter, this is not a wild natural resource where the money you thought you’d have at the end of the year just isn’t there. That’s why it’s stable, you can count on it remaining about the same as the year previous at worst.

Plus, it’s also worth noting that the same quarter mentioned in the article includes the May Wildfires in Fort Mac, and any natural disaster will impact spending. Yet spending still improved year over year. That should tell you something.

[stone hands]

never underestimate people's desire for material things regardless of their employment or income status

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Totally agree. I struggle with the "you're either with me or against me" views. I can like different things spread out across party platforms, just because I align with the UCP or AP, doesn't mean I can't agree with certain things the NDP does! This isn't a competitive sport haha

I agree, there are appealing ideas from the left and right spectrum. On the whole we sit somewhere in the middle as Albertans, primarily because we wish to be fiscally responsible with low spending but passively expect a strong services in healthcare, education, etc. We have become both used to high quality services (an expectation) but also take issue with how these huge institutions are built and funded. Both are important points.

I know most Albertans also want progressive rights and freedoms for all, with an equal playing field no matter what the creed. I think we would expect our policymakers to ensure this, so it comes as a surprise we still have to debate it. That said, most people probably don't see this as a priority at the moment because they aren't in the affected groups. And that's OK.

I think we have to hold our politicians to an extremely high standard, and put their feet to the fire constantly. They represent us, so we deserve better than they have been doing the last couple of decades. I really hope the next leader will understand that he or she is going to be under intense scrutiny to perform at 150% - all the time. It's their duty.

After this election I believe I will get more involved politically. I want to make sure the next government is moving Alberta forward, not backwards, but still making bold enough moves to manage our economy collaboratively within Canada.

There is a path forward that doesn't involve vitriol and conjecture, as well as naivety and complacency. I fear the next four years it's going to be one of those two strategies unfortunately.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Alright so normally don't post but follow things pretty closely, but after much deliberation i think a minority government for either party is best. Although this thread is fairly civilized the rest of what I read can be a bit more on the vicious side.

IMO we need to take a bit of breath and reset, start going back to cooperation instead of these personal attacks and ads. Especially between the two parties supposed to be competing to run the province.

And thanks to everyone who consistently posts updates and their opinions, although I don't necessarily agree with a lot of them; I appreciate the honest discussion and alternative points of view. Thanks CP!

There's no minority government in these cards, you need a third party to win some seats for that to happen, at best it looks like 1 seat for the Alberta party, maybe one for the liberals.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I agree, there are appealing ideas from the left and right spectrum. On the whole we sit somewhere in the middle as Albertans, primarily because we wish to be fiscally responsible with low spending but passively expect a strong services in healthcare, education, etc. We have become both used to high quality services (an expectation) but also take issue with how these huge institutions are built and funded. Both are important points.

I know most Albertans also want progressive rights and freedoms for all, with an equal playing field no matter what the creed. I think we would expect our policymakers to ensure this, so it comes as a surprise we still have to debate it. That said, most people probably don't see this as a priority at the moment because they aren't in the affected groups. And that's OK.

I think we have to hold our politicians to an extremely high standard, and put their feet to the fire constantly. They represent us, so we deserve better than they have been doing the last couple of decades. I really hope the next leader will understand that he or she is going to be under intense scrutiny to perform at 150% - all the time. It's their duty.

After this election I believe I will get more involved politically. I want to make sure the next government is moving Alberta forward, not backwards, but still making bold enough moves to manage our economy collaboratively within Canada.

There is a path forward that doesn't involve vitriol and conjecture, as well as naivety and complacency. I fear the next four years it's going to be one of those two strategies unfortunately.

You're going to be disappointed when you go out and talk to the people. They are as dumb that you've never hoped.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

A minority government is a virtual impossibility. All other parties combined are going to win between 0 and 1 seats.

I think it's more like between zero and three. Calgary-Elbow, Edmonton-McClung and Calgary-Mountain View are all pretty close.

I think the AP were hoping to have an outside shot in Calgary-South East and Calgary-Klein, but it appears that nope.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I think it's more like between zero and three. Calgary-Elbow, Edmonton-McClung and Calgary-Mountain View are all pretty close.

I think the AP were hoping to have an outside shot in Calgary-South East and Calgary-Klein, but it appears that nope.

338 has Khan finishing third in Calgary-Mountain View, albeit in a close three party race. Honestly, It would be best, I think, for the Liberals to be wiped off the map so that they can go away and bring us back to a three party set up. Hell, they're polling behind Fildebrandt's temper tantrum party.

Likewise, Mandel is predicted for third place as well - albeit in a statistical tie with the Conservatives, but well behind the NDP.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Anything that 338 has within 10 points, I view as essentially a toss up. Arguably that number should be higher. There's simply no way to reliably predict individual ridings with much precision, particularly the hotly contested ones.