Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Notley was like John Tavares on the shootout attempt when he flubbed and lost the puck.

Except she really didn't get into the shootout, her coach said Rach (cause a coach would call her Rach) it might not be a good idea to put you into a shootout today.


I went back and watched some clips again, and I'm not quite sure what she was trying to achieve, but she really looked kind of flustered and worried from the start, and got completely off of any track to sell herself, instead focusing on negative selling on Kenney


The problem with that kind of sell, is you drive your customers into the camp of the person that you're bashing.


She probably did a good job of pushing some undecideds into Kenney's camp, especially because he really did pretty well on education and health care in the debate last night.

[CaptainCrunch]

You mean ideologies don’t actually murder people?

Some do, obviously.


Facism as an ideology at its heart had a whole make an enemy of the people so that you can rally people to the cause. pretty much 100% of facist governments were oppressive and murderous.



In terms of communism, its more then likely that a command based ideology is going to lead to killing, it shows up The Soviet Union across multiple leaders, China to this day, Cuba, and a lot of other communist regimes were incredibly murderous. When you put all decisions in the hands of a few, its going to lead to murder.



Religious based theocracies pretty much murder central.


Ideologies can absolutely murder people.

[transplant99]

I never did hear a response from Notley last night about the loud silence from the NDP MLA's accused of sexual harrassment and how it has never been addressed on who it was, or why the RCMP weren't brought in but instead it was handled "in house".

I would think that the constituents in those ridings might want to know if their candidates are sexual harrassers...no? Another double standard?

All political stuff aside...i find that whole thing extremely odd and a bit disturbing.

[Shazam]

I have a fairly good idea about who the harasser is, but there's no way Notley can let him go.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That the NDP are full of double standards? Hell yes...been saying as much for years.

And yes running for the Communist party of Canada in 1984 means everything you wish it didnt. Has she changed in 35 years? I would think probably so. Just like everyone does over time.

Hmmmm...seems to me there was an ad out about what someone in this election said 30 years ago and how it reflected they were still the same now, but again....double standards.

What double standard are you referring to? She may still very well hold those same beliefs and she may not. People have the right to question that, the same as they do for Kenney. But to insinuate that she she should be considered some sort of wanna be mass murderer because of her ideological beliefs is a bit much. It’s like saying all capitalists only want to be war mongers and using the US’ policies as your argument.

Nobody is questioning Kenney’s motives because of what other anti-gay or anti abortion activists did, they are questioning his motives based on what HE has done.

The only double standard I see here is that you don’t think it’s right for people to bring up one candidates past while you’re voluntarily doing the exact same thing for another candidate.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Some do, obviously.


Facism as an ideology at its heart had a whole make an enemy of the people so that you can rally people to the cause. pretty much 100% of facist governments were oppressive and murderous.



In terms of communism, its more then likely that a command based ideology is going to lead to killing, it shows up The Soviet Union across multiple leaders, China to this day, Cuba, and a lot of other communist regimes were incredibly murderous. When you put all decisions in the hands of a few, its going to lead to murder.



Religious based theocracies pretty much murder central.


Ideologies can absolutely murder people.

No idea can ever murder another person, it takes a person to murder or to order the killing of someone else. I get the sense from your paragraph on communism that we can agree on that.

[Ozy_Flame]

Serious, this guy is like the Mike Pence of Alberta and needs to be launched into the Sun.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1114233396031631362

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That the NDP are full of double standards? Hell yes...been saying as much for years.

No, that you were going to respond with that regardless of what anyone said.

I’m not defending the NDP, I’m just arguing against your false equivalency. If she’s awful she should go. But merely being a member of the Communist party doesn’t automatically make her bad.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

No idea can ever murder another person, it takes a person to murder or to order the killing of someone else. I get the sense from your paragraph on communism that we can agree on that.

I disagree with you, an idea can absolutely murder another person, especially when that idea becomes national policy.


History is full of examples.


The holocaust was the idea of a national government and the refinements to it came from those ideas.




Every single policy murderous or not comes from an idea had from an individual or a literal interpretation of an ideology.


As soon as a political theory is translated or refined it has the potential to target a group, or religion or race to the worst possible result.


I mean even in Canadian History where we've seen government policy enacted to murderous extent, and the governments at the time didn't stand up and say "Woah man you totally mis-interpreted the ideology that we were following

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Serious, this guy is like the Mike Pence of Alberta and needs to be launched into the Sun.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1114233396031631362

People like this have no business being anywhere near public office. I'm not sure how you can read:



"Smith and Hunter — UCP candidates for Drayton Valley-Devon and Taber-Warner respectively — helped pen the document while part of the Wildrose Party’s internal family and social values committee. Conversion therapy is a “psycho-social and religious practice” which the government has no business banning, according to the document."


and still think "ya, these sound like the type of people who would make reasonable decisions based on facts and science" to move our province forward. Just depressing.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

People like this have no business being anywhere near public office. I'm not sure how you can read:



"Smith and Hunter — UCP candidates for Drayton Valley-Devon and Taber-Warner respectively — helped pen the document while part of the Wildrose Party’s internal family and social values committee. Conversion therapy is a “psycho-social and religious practice” which the government has no business banning, according to the document."


and still think "ya, these sound like the type of people who would make reasonable decisions based on facts and science" to move our province forward. Just depressing.

Every party has bad apples. Hopefully those bad apples don't get voted in.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

People like this have no business being anywhere near public office. I'm not sure how you can read:



"Smith and Hunter — UCP candidates for Drayton Valley-Devon and Taber-Warner respectively — helped pen the document while part of the Wildrose Party’s internal family and social values committee. Conversion therapy is a “psycho-social and religious practice” which the government has no business banning, according to the document."


and still think "ya, these sound like the type of people who would make reasonable decisions based on facts and science" to move our province forward. Just depressing.

but my economy that tanked due to oil prices dropping 100 dollars a barrel

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That the NDP are full of double standards? Hell yes...been saying as much for years.

And yes running for the Communist party of Canada in 1984 means everything you wish it didnt. Has she changed in 35 years? I would think probably so. Just like everyone does over time.

Hmmmm...seems to me there was an ad out about what someone in this election said 30 years ago and how it reflected they were still the same now, but again....double standards.

Brutal take.

I agree that views can change, people can change. However the issue with Kenney and his position in the 80's is different.

He caused people a lot of pain with his actions back then and continued to vote against LGBTQ rights well into the 2000's. That is unacceptable. As a young teen in the 90s I knew that way of thinking was backwards and wrong. He has no excuse for that in 2012. The fact that he still refuses to apologize for the things he did confirms he hasn't changed his position.

I'll let the 80's go, it was all different time and he was young, ignorant person. Problem is he became an old, ignorant person.

This goes both ways. How many on the right are saying it isn't possible the NDP have changed their position on pipelines.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Every party has bad apples. Hopefully those bad apples don't get voted in.

This is a new party that had an opportunity to throw out the bad apples, but instead picked up their moldy rotten worm filled husks. They didn't even need to throw them out, they just needed to not put them back in the basket! That should tell you something about the party, not just the apples in it.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I never did hear a response from Notley last night about the loud silence from the NDP MLA's accused of sexual harrassment and how it has never been addressed on who it was, or why the RCMP weren't brought in but instead it was handled "in house".

I would think that the constituents in those ridings might want to know if their candidates are sexual harrassers...no? Another double standard?

All political stuff aside...i find that whole thing extremely odd and a bit disturbing.

Really, how can that even be a consideration? How does a political party get to decide whether a criminal act should have the authorities investigate? Obviously, it’s a terrible precedent to accept.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Serious, this guy is like the Mike Pence of Alberta and needs to be launched into the Sun.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1114233396031631362

Anyone who supports conversion therapy is a monster. Plain and simple.

[CaptainCrunch]

Just as an aside, the UCP response to Notley's point last night that Kenney hadn't seen any pipelines built while he was in Ottawa

https://twitter.com/user/status/1114037500694093826

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I disagree with you, an idea can absolutely murder another person, especially when that idea becomes national policy.


History is full of examples.

In every example you gave it has taken a person or people to act on the idea for someone to be harmed. This could be debated further but since no parties in this election are campaigning on or are considered to be ideologically driven to commit large scale massacres this thread might not be the best place for it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Agreed, though I would still vote for a candidate with the best best "Murder Bart" platform

[Corral]

Kenny was also federal Immigration minister who gave the ministerial directions to citizenship staff not to administer any ceremonies for a new citizen who wears a niqab - some of his emails were very dismissive of the law - and this led to a Federal Court ruling in 2014 which arguably damaged Harper in the 2015 election.