Practice Notes April 5

[sureLoss]

Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg
Peters confirmed what the ideal top six on the blueline will be in the playoffs:

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Fantenberg-Andersson

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Stone should be on the point opposite Giordano.
https://www.nhl.com/flames/video/sto...092/c-55119703

I wonder what the count is for every shot Stone hits vs every shot that misses and rims around the boards and out.

On the PP, especially one that is struggling, zone time is key and risking that with a wild bomb isn't all that desirable.

Andersson has a hard shot and is more accurate.

Fantenberg, mock his inclusion if you want, gets the puck through traffic and on net.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol

So that's not possible then? Why not add something to the discussion, the drive bys are getting to be a little much.

It was a big hit. Bennett could be concussed and they are trying to conceal it. Or he could have the quad injury that has been reported, and he's not ready.

I haven't a clue which is true, but nothing is all that funny at this point.

[Jore]

have to say i don't really understand how stone and prout are ahead of valimaki at this point. fantenberg has been good in his role but valimaki seems to be able to do a lot more

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So that's not possible then? Why not add something to the discussion, the drive bys are getting to be a little much.

It was a big hit. Bennett could be concussed and they are trying to conceal it. Or he could have the quad injury that has been reported, and he's not ready.

I haven't a clue which is true, but nothing is all that funny at this point.

nothing about bennett's injury is funny.

There is lots funny about how quickly this has turned around.

Like i said initially, hopefully he's ready for game 1.

[Jiggy_12]

Fantenberg is a safe way to begin. I don't mind it

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Its pretty simple, Brodie has a muffin of a shot from the point. Fantenberg does not. Given the opportunity I think you would be surprised.

4 points on the PP this year seeing regular minutes with the 2nd unit. The second unit needs to keep it simple, get pucks to the point, shoot the puck and crash the net. Brodie I would argue has the worst shot on the back end when it comes to velocity. His shots are routinely weak and wide or blocked.

Brodie is far better at making plays and zone entries on the PP. And you seem to be overrating Fantenberg's shooting skill.

As for your arguments

1) Brodie is 12th on the team in 5 v 4 TOI at 72.73. That's less than Rasmus Andersson, and it's less than Noah Hanifin. It's only marginally more than Austin Czarnik, who has played in fewer games.

2) With 4 points, Brodie is 10th in PP points, ahead of Rasmus Andersson and Mikael Backlund. Maybe you should direct some of your frustration on their lack of production.

3) When Brodie's shot goes wide, he keeps it low enough that it can be deflected into the net. Rarely does he miss high and wide. Often he misses the net intentionally because there's no shooting lane or way to beat a goalie with just a shot.

4) This Season:
28.6% of Brodie's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked.
28.9% of Giordano's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked.
30.0% of Hanifin's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked
33.3% of Andersson's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked

Saying Brodie's shot gets blocked more often is false.

Brodie's biggest problem is the same as Gaudreau and Lindholm and much of our roster - he just doesn't shoot often enough. But the fact of the matter is that he's one of our more explosive and dynamic offensive players. One thing to note is that by putting Andersson on his offwing as a sniper, Brodie's pass-first mentality is far more useful than it is on PP1. Brodie has already setup Andersson many times this season for a one timer, the next part is for Andersson to score on it.

[sureLoss]

Wes Gilbertson @WesGilbertson
Sounds like #Flames LW Johnny Gaudreau, two points shy of 100, will be in lineup tomorrow against Oilers.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Wes Gilbertson @WesGilbertson
Sounds like #Flames LW Johnny Gaudreau, two points shy of 100, will be in lineup tomorrow against Oilers.

With Dalton Prout on the D pairing with him.

edit - ah crap thats right he isn't playing

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

Why pick Brodie specifically when both Andersson and Backlund have more PP minutes and fewer PP points?

So general consensus is that the 2nd unit has done next to nothing this year on the PP. Yet the only change in Bill Peters lines is adding Mangiapane?

Brodie clearly doesn't work on the PP because of his shot, thus I recommend switching him out. I'm not against switching others out but I chose Brodie because his role/position on that unit is the biggest reason why the 2nd unit is ineffective (point shots) IMO.

Originally Posted by Snapshot

If you want to replace Brodie on PP2, then it should be Hanafin, not Fantenberg.

I'm not against Hanifin getting a go. I only chose Fantenberg because he seems to have the heaviest shot of the 3.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Brodie is far better at making plays and zone entries on the PP. And you seem to be overrating Fantenberg's shooting skill.

As for your arguments

1) Brodie is 12th on the team in 5 v 4 TOI at 72.73. That's less than Rasmus Andersson, and it's less than Noah Hanifin. It's only marginally more than Austin Czarnik, who has played in fewer games.

2) With 4 points, Brodie is 10th in PP points, ahead of Rasmus Andersson and Mikael Backlund. Maybe you should direct some of your frustration on their lack of production.

3) When Brodie's shot goes wide, he keeps it low enough that it can be deflected into the net. Rarely does he miss high and wide. Often he misses the net intentionally because there's no shooting lane or way to beat a goalie with just a shot.

4) This Season:
28.6% of Brodie's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked.
28.9% of Giordano's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked.
30.0% of Hanifin's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked
33.3% of Andersson's powerplay shot attempts have been blocked

Saying Brodie's shot gets blocked more often is false.

Brodie's biggest problem is the same as Gaudreau and Lindholm and much of our roster - he just doesn't shoot often enough. But the fact of the matter is that he's one of our more explosive and dynamic offensive players. One thing to note is that by putting Andersson on his offwing as a sniper, Brodie's pass-first mentality is far more useful than it is on PP1. Brodie has already setup Andersson many times this season for a one timer, the next part is for Andersson to score on it.

Providing percentages are great, do you have the actual number of attempts?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

nothing about bennett's injury is funny.

There is lots funny about how quickly this has turned around.

Like i said initially, hopefully he's ready for game 1.

A thigh injury could have been the only lingering result of that hit. This is possible. So Peters says he will play before realizing the injury that actually occurred on the play was not a head injury.

I do not presume to know, nor assume coach is either deceiving or telling truth. We don't know.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CGY12

So general consensus is that the 2nd unit has done next to nothing this year on the PP. Yet the only change in Bill Peters lines is adding Mangiapane? ...

Take a look at powerplay production across the League. The Flames's second unit is pretty typical of what every team gets from theirs.

[Royle9]

Oiler's gonna Oil tomorrow, I'm hoping we dress someone to counter their cavemen running around trying to "showcase" during their last game of the year, they always get stupid.

Especially with the final solution only needing 1 more goal, they'll be sure pushing to try and have him get that on the Flames and I'd love nothing more than to be able to stop that from happening.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CGY12

So general consensus is that the 2nd unit has done next to nothing this year on the PP. Yet the only change in Bill Peters lines is adding Mangiapane?

Brodie clearly doesn't work on the PP because of his shot, thus I recommend switching him out. I'm not against switching others out but I chose Brodie because his role/position on that unit is the biggest reason why the 2nd unit is ineffective (point shots) IMO.

The 2nd unit has been effective when the Neal-Bennett-Ryan trio have been available (and that's with Neal and Ryan having poor starts). 6.94 GF/60 as a trio is right there with the lower end of first units. Whether that's with Hanifin or with Brodie on the point hasn't really mattered. Brodie brings a bit more of a passing mentality which works with setting up Andersson, Hanifin brought more of a shooting mentality which seemed to work with Czarnik, though Czarnik hasn't been very good on the PP all year.

They just haven't been together since Neal's injury and now Bennett's injury. It's a forward problem, and the one blemish on Backlund's excellent season.

Originally Posted by CGY12

Providing percentages are great, do you have the actual number of attempts?

I already said Brodie doesn't elect to shoot a lot. But that's a different story from saying his shot always gets blocked. And we've seen with Dougie Hamilton that mindless volume shooting doesn't make a better powerplay, either.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Jore

have to say i don't really understand how stone and prout are ahead of valimaki at this point. fantenberg has been good in his role but valimaki seems to be able to do a lot more

Don't disagree generally - particularly the way he played earlier in the year. Looked a little slower out there than one might want the other night though...so maybe needs time to get to game speed? Also as a pretty new rookie, maybe some time to watch first helps.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Oiler's gonna Oil tomorrow, I'm hoping we dress someone to counter their cavemen running around trying to "showcase" during their last game of the year, they always get stupid.

Especially with the final solution only needing 1 more goal, they'll be sure pushing to try and have him get that on the Flames and I'd love nothing more than to be able to stop that from happening.

Meh. Anything that helps grease the wheels of the off season hype machine is perfect, so 50 goals from Drai might help lube that up a bit more.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Take a look at powerplay production across the League. The Flames's second unit is pretty typical of what every team gets from theirs.

A little worse than that.

The Flames are ranked 7th in terms of total powerplay production from the top five guys, and 22nd from everyone else as a total.

Colorado is 4th and 8th ... best be disciplined.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pat Steinberg
@Fan960Steinberg
Monahan was sick today, which is why he left early. Possible he plays tomorrow.

Bennett won’t play tomorrow, but will be available for game one.

Coach Peters says guys who are able will play on game 82. Won’t play those who are banged up or under the weather. #Flames

Monahan seems like he is sick almost as much as McDavid.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Jore

have to say i don't really understand how stone and prout are ahead of valimaki at this point. fantenberg has been good in his role but valimaki seems to be able to do a lot more

Because you don't generally put rookies who haven't played the last 60 regular season NHL games out on defence in the Stanley Cup playoffs.