Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Weitz

So we agree on the anti-gay laws then?

No he wanted to remove GSA and definitely wants the ability to notify parents when their students are being "sinners" by joining those perverted GSA... That's anti-gay laws.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

... In a poll commissioned by the Global Petroleum Show. No bias there, I’m sure.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

No bias there, I’m sure.

Entire poll including data sampling methods and all questions are available.

Not seeing any signs of bias or problems in the methodology, what do you see? Many polls are commissioned by interested parties, the pollsters are the ones required to do the work. Janet Brown is considered a respected commentator and pollster.

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Entire poll including data sampling methods and all questions are available.

Not seeing any signs of bias or problems in the methodology, what do you see? Many polls are commissioned by interested parties, the pollsters are the ones required to do the work. Janet Brown is considered a respected commentator and pollster.

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

The EKOS poll is total garbage, nothing from that should be believed. Solicited by NDP allied Unifor, and targeted NDP friendly past voters in the poll.

C'mon dude ....

[V]

Originally Posted by simmer2

If I'm a parent, i would want the ability to know. Hopefully I've done a good enough job and have a strong enough line of communication with my son/daughter that they'd be open to telling me...but I would like to know so I could figure out how to help parent that way too.

These kids won't always know what is best for them at say 14 or 15 or whatever. They're young, still figuring things out.

If I can learn and understand more, then I can also help guide them.

And maybe I am misunderstanding what the contention is around GSA which could be possible.

All children need to be protected from their parents, and who better to offer that protection than the government?

[iggy_oi]

First of all: I find it quite troubling how many posters are so quick to deflect from UCP policies which are clearly rooted in bigotry.

Second of all:

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

The Education Act requires GSA's to be granted, regardless of NDP and Union talking points. http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/Acts/e00p3.pdf

As mentioned by others the major change is removing the provision making it illegal for teachers to inform parents of a child's involvement. As well as the ability of the government to defund private schools, currently facing a court challenge.

I think crazy_eoj brings up unions even more than I do, in many(perhaps most) cases without any provocation. Could it be he/she is a closet union supporter who’s constantly trotting out anti-union rhetoric because he/she knows I will be quick to explain how crazy(pun intended) and misguided that anti-union rhetoric really is?

It’s asinine to imply the NDP and Unions are the only people who feel this way about these policies or that the UCP’s intentions with these policies aren’t clear. So rather than call crazy_eoj out for attempting such foolishness I’m going to give him/her the benefit of the doubt and assume the closet union supporter theory as being the case.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by simmer2

If I'm a parent, i would want the ability to know. Hopefully I've done a good enough job and have a strong enough line of communication with my son/daughter that they'd be open to telling me...but I would like to know so I could figure out how to help parent that way too.

These kids won't always know what is best for them at say 14 or 15 or whatever. They're young, still figuring things out.

If I can learn and understand more, then I can also help guide them.

And maybe I am misunderstanding what the contention is around GSA which could be possible.

And hey, if other kids kill themselves out of fear/humiliation or get abused/disowned by less understanding parents, what's the big deal? At least you got to show what an understanding parent you are.

[peter12]

I just want to say that I really missed how smart the analysis is on these boards. It's good to be back.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by flamingreen

C'mon dude ....

Yeah the INTERNAL Unifor poll was leaked by the client, which then caused the pollster to scramble to provide the methodogy. Which showed they had pre-selected people to call based on previous polls.

None of that happened with this poll? Which is a big difference.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by V

All children need to be protected from their parents, and who better to offer that protection than the government?

Who else would you propose?

[Cowboy89]

With regard to the polls. If Unifor's poll should be thrown out, so should the Global Petroleum Show's poll. The rationale is not that these polls were not conducted properly, but rather that the reason why they are leaked could be politically motivated. IE, are there earlier or more recent polls conducted by the same groups that made different conclusions that were selectively not revealed? We cannot know, so we should ignore those data points. That's how CBC poll tracker Eric Grenier rationalized not including the unifor poll, and that's how I imagine he would treat the Global petroleum show poll a well.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Who else would you propose?

Makarov we don’t need the government to protect people, that’s what the police are for!

[flamingreen]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Yeah the INTERNAL Unifor poll was leaked by the client, which then caused the pollster to scramble to provide the methodogy. Which showed they had pre-selected people to call based on previous polls.

None of that happened with this poll? Which is a big difference.

They don't mention that their poll was pre-selected in their methodology?

http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.ph...-jason-kenney/

Where did you see that information?

[stampsx2]

Should that passangerless Notley mini van be driving in circles around downtown Calgary? Doesn’t seem very environmentally friendly. Not the most carbon effiecient way to run an ad.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And hey, if other kids kill themselves out of fear/humiliation or get abused/disowned by less understanding parents, what's the big deal? At least you got to show what an understanding parent you are.

Wow, that's a leap and a half.

At least in the example of parents being made aware of it, there's an opportunity for those parents to be involved in the process and be part of learning about it and learning about what their child is going through so they can help.

If parents don't know, then parents and the child distance themselves without the parent knowing what's going on and not through any fault of their own.

Again, I would hope that internal communication is good enough to have open dialogue between child and parent, but sometimes that's tricky. Having a conduit through a school where each side can understand each other more I think has a more positive long-term impact than the alternative where parents aren't involved in guiding.

[GGG]

Nm

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Wow, that's a leap and a half.

At least in the example of parents being made aware of it, there's an opportunity for those parents to be involved in the process and be part of learning about it and learning about what their child is going through so they can help.

Parents will be involved when the child wants them to be involved. Demanding that they be involved is a recipe for a whole host of mental health issues for LGBT kids.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

... And again, this would be a legitimate debate over the proper policy and the right amount of involvement for parents versus the risk in cases where some parents aren't, to put it mildly, as supportive as others. In a vacuum, I'd probably be able to accept this as a legitimate basis for political disagreement and not a manifestation of bigotry against gay people. But looking at the whole picture, in context with everything else that's happened leading up to that education plan, can't people defending the UCP education plan understand how it looks a whole lot like legislative gay bashing, in line with the sentiments of a party that has consistently had anti-gay rhetoric emerging from it?

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Parents will be involved when the child wants them to be involved. Demanding that they be involved is a recipe for a whole host of mental health issues for LGBT kids.

Children don't know what is always best for them. Did I know what the best thing for me was at 15? No, I didn't. The thing is, we want to encourage more communication between all parties, not less.

You are also making the assumption that because LGBT kids' parents find out, there will automatically be mental health issues...each scenario is going to be unique, but I would tend to think that the outcome will be overall positive in scenarios where more parents are involved versus less.
Otherwise, you are making the assumption that parents will cause more issues versus less...which I don't believe is accurate because going back to the first point, parents know us better than anyone else.

It opens the line up for parents to understand more which I think helps the kids work through things.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by flamingreen

They don't mention that their poll was pre-selected in their methodology?

http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.ph...-jason-kenney/

Where did you see that information?

Frank Graves from EKOS commented on the poll being "not designed for public release" and it was "to inform how Unifor mobilized activists and organizers. Also wasn’t uniquely randomized sample, but a repeated measures design poll for Unifor."