[Rumour] UPD: Canes will try to trade Adam Fox after he indicates he will not sign with them

[sureLoss]

Trade value will depend on whether Fox is actually willing to leave college right now.

If he is still going back for his senior year it will decrease his trade value a lot.

[TheScorpion]

Trades can occur at any time (except for the holiday freeze). The trade deadline is actually just when playoff rosters are set. Post-TDL trades happen all the time. Anyone dealt afterward just can't play in the playoffs for their new team because they weren't on that team's reserve list at the TDL

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by AC

Problem is:

A) why would the Rangers trade any assets for his negotiating rights when they seem like the team Fox is interested in signing with already?
B) why would any other team part with assets when it seems like a forgone conclusion he'll go to free agency, and ultimately the Rangers?

Carolina might just be left holding the bag.

Tough break for Carolina that Tim Murray isn't in Buffalo anymore. He gave up a 4th for Vesey about 2 weeks before he signed with the Rangers.

Vesey's also turned out to be a relative dud for all the hoopla about him when he did this.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by AC

Problem is:

A) why would the Rangers trade any assets for his negotiating rights when they seem like the team Fox is interested in signing with already?
B) why would any other team part with assets when it seems like a forgone conclusion he'll go to free agency, and ultimately the Rangers?

Carolina might just be left holding the bag.

A) if they make a decent offer they get him a year early.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Tough break for Carolina that Tim Murray isn't in Buffalo anymore. He gave up a 4th for Vesey about 2 weeks before he signed with the Rangers.

Vesey's also turned out to be a relative dud for all the hoopla about him when he did this.

I'm sure there are examples to the contrary but a lot of the guys who've done this didn't live up to the hype with their new team - Tom Erixon, Schultz, Vesey. Any examples of guys who really panned out for the team that signed them?

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Fox has a great fallback position. Go back to Harvard, play senior season, graduate and become UFA next summer. But if he signs now, he could burn a year of ELC and best guess is he wants to turn pro now. So let him do his UFA shopping now, pick a team, CAR works out a trade.

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
If the team Fox wants to go to, let’s say it’s NYR, wants to play hard ball with CAR in trade talks, Canes could always say, fine, wait a year for him to be UFA then. It’s a bit of a balancing act to get something now vs. nothing next summer.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm sure there are examples to the contrary but a lot of the guys who've done this didn't live up to the hype with their new team - Tom Erixon, Schultz, Vesey. Any examples of guys who really panned out for the team that signed them?

Hayes did pretty well for himself. Also screwed his team for New York.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm sure there are examples to the contrary but a lot of the guys who've done this didn't live up to the hype with their new team - Tom Erixon, Schultz, Vesey. Any examples of guys who really panned out for the team that signed them?

Hayes

[sureLoss]

Just for some basis of trade value, we know the Islanders once valued Fox to be worth a 2nd or more 2 years ago.

If the Canes could get a 2nd will it be enough? Rangers have potentially 3 2nd rounders in the 2019 draft

[Strange Brew]

Canes should be OK with a 2nd rounder for Fox. I suspect that was his value in the original trade.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Sorry, interesting technicality to clarify ability/inability for Fox to burn a year on ELC. If traded, say, to NYR or any team, he’s not eligible to play. BUT, and this is the longest of long shots, CAR could sign and trade him. Fox signing in CAR would burn 1st year of ELC.

As it was explained to me, and my head now hurts, the only way Fox can burn a year of ELC this season would be to sign in CAR because he’s on CAR reserve list. Doesn’t need to play a game to burn it. Could then be traded to NYR but not eligible to play games this season.

[jaydub74]

I know it's been discussed, but this NCAA college free agent loophole is crap. I'm not sure why it hasn't been closed by the league (I know it needs to be collectively bargained) but the NHL has basically had their way with the NHLPA in negotiations so it should have been done. It would seem every team but the Rangers would be in favour of changing it. If you're drafted, your team property until they release you.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

I know it's been discussed, but this NCAA college free agent loophole is crap. I'm not sure why it hasn't been closed by the league (I know it needs to be collectively bargained) but the NHL has basically had their way with the NHLPA in negotiations so it should have been done. It would seem every team but the Rangers would be in favour of changing it. If you're drafted, your team property until they release you.

Ya it is more than time to fix this crap

[sureLoss]

Mark Divver @MarkDivver
Don Waddell last summer on signing Adam Fox: “I don’t see it being an issue at all'

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Just for some basis of trade value, we know the Islanders once valued Fox to be worth a 2nd or more 2 years ago.

If the Canes could get a 2nd will it be enough? Rangers have potentially 3 2nd rounders in the 2019 draft

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
If I’m CAR and I can get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Fox, I’d move him. If I don’t get that, I’d tell all teams to wait until he’s UFA next summer. We shall see.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
If I’m CAR and I can get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Fox, I’d move him. If I don’t get that, I’d tell all teams to wait until he’s UFA next summer. We shall see.

I'd let the kid miss his first year of pro.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Ya it is more than time to fix this crap

It can't be fixed for at least another two years. I suspect this has not ever been much of a factor in collective bargaining because up until just recently teams have had little problem signing their college draftees. Prior to the last CBA negotiation Justin Schultz was essentially the only notable exception to the. highly commonplace reality in which most NCAA players signed with their drafting teams by a wide margin.

[David Struch]

I care about Adam Fox as much as I care about Morgan Klimchuk, Brett Kulak, Hunter Shinkaruk, Nick Shore, Keegan Kanzig, Brandon Hickey, and Patrick Sieloff.

[UKflames]

So he is following the Erixon route to the NHL. Take the loop hole route to the Rangers, suck and fall out of the league.

[joejoe3]

If McLottery could go back in time, I wonder if he would’ve done the same instead of wasting all these years in the oilers organization