Next stop legalized Polygamy

[photon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If I may ask, what is so wrong with polygamy anyway?

Good question! That site I linked to came up when I was trying to find out why polygamy is bad

[jolinar of malkshor]

It is bad because the children are the one that end up suffering. Do a little research on Bountiful(sp?) and the one in Utah. Then you might have a different opinion.

[peter12]

There is a whack of biologial and sociological evidence that suggest a traditional family with two parents is the best for children. I don't want to get into whether homosexual parents are just as good as heterosexual ones, because I just don't know.

But, there is a ton of evidence that two parents provide the most stable home for a child. Read "Our Inner Ape".

I really hate how some so-called "progressives" are trying to re-write human cultural and genetic history with their own version of what human life should be like.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by photon

I know of a few Christian ones, and no Mormon ones.

http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/

Really and you know these guys?

If you would like to come to Creston I could introduce you to fifty of
them(some by name).

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The only ones I know are Mormon. They believe they need at least three wives to obtain godhood. Don't confuse Christians with Mormons. There isn't a lot in common.

Also, within the Muslim religion this is a common practice.

You're talking about fundamental Mormons. There is a difference between them and the LDS Church.

I do believe some of them live in the Creston area, so you would know who I'm talking about.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If I may ask, what is so wrong with polygamy anyway?

So we legalize it based on the belief that there is nothing wrong with it?

My sense of right and wrong is most likely different then yours. If a bill is introduced to legalize polygamy, I hope right and wrong is not thrown into the debate.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Azure

My sense of right and wrong is most likely different then yours.

LOL - Yet your sense of 'right and wrong' tells you that watching executions is okay!?!?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

LOL - Yet your sense of 'right and wrong' tells you that watching executions is okay!?!?

Perhaps you should stay on topic.

But for whats it worth, I was being sarcastic. Of course you wouldn't have seen that, since you didn't read the rest of that topic.

And yes, my sense of right and wrong might tell me that watching an execution is okay. Of course I don't see how that even relates to the idea of right or wrong, but I guess you do.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

By the way if the best you can come up with is "that's biased" why even bother? ALL OPINION IS BIASED!

I didn't say that exactly either.

If you want to have a discusion about your opinion - which is why I am assuming you posted this here in the first place - then I think you should put the other side up for discussion. Opinion should be able to acknowledge their critiques at the least, and then address them...

[Looger]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If I may ask, what is so wrong with polygamy anyway?

right and wrong are what people are used to.

to an ancient greek it may have been totally normal for a boy of 12 or 13 to be taken down to the bathhouse by his dad and uncles to be shown how it is, as a lot of literature from back then shows romantic love only existing between men - often related - and marriages to women merely for procreation.

i'm not sure how exactly true a lot of that stuff is, it is ancient history and always through the prism of whoever is telling it to you. but clearly values from that time and place were far different than our own.

polygamy is not in step with the current state of affairs and values of our current society.

no, north america may not have a _visible_ rich cultural identity or heritage, but it exists if only being different from the more obviously unique peoples on this earth.

utah for example to join the union had to put a polygamy law on the books though obviously it's not enthusiastically enforced.

there's always people trying to change what is acceptable and what is not, there's always the fringe elements of every cause that sound good or bad to generally more or generally less people at any given time.

right now, here and now, most people on the street i would think are against polygamy due to the values that they grew up with. there is no central 'old values', a quick study of history tells you right away that there have been more than one change from 'traditional' to 'radical' cultural ideas, brought on quite often by mass movements of populations, conquest in war bringing cultural and genetic domination, etc.

it wasn't a LONG time ago that western europeans had a family life more akin to say east indian culture these days, as in whole generations of family living together and raising children in more of a village mentality. this changed with the churches, the breakdown of old tribal traditions thousands of years ago.

the idea of two parents and their children being the core family unit does not stretch to the dawn of time, it has appeared here and there and disappeared here and there along with every other kind of child-rearing that one can imagine.

[RougeUnderoos]

It's noteworthy that when the case for gay marriage first came before the Commons – with the then-Liberal government hotly denying that gay marriage would lead to polygamy – it was disclosed that a committee of its own Justice Department had already reached the conclusion that gay marriage would make polygamy inescapable.

What made the Ontario case possible, however, was modern technology and the process of in vitro fertilization. How much else might become inescapable is outlined in a book by professor Margaret Somerville of the McGill University Centre for Religion, Ethics and the Law, whose repeated warnings of the dangers to public health involved in the gay lifestyle saw her denounced by the liberal left. In her current "The Ethical Imagination: Journey of the Human Spirit" (Anansi Press, Toronto), she warns of other possibilities from human reproductive engineering, such as:

• Creation of a chimera, a human-animal combination, possibly sought as an inherent human right by someone wanting to perpetuate himself or herself with a pet dog or cat.

Finally someone had the guts to say it -- if we allow same-sex marriages, before you know it there will be human/cat hybrids (I call them hucats) walking the streets.

This isn't the time or place to fully elaborate my objection to hucats, but suffice it to say those objections are religious, ethical and allergic.

[RW99]

I'm waiting for the next wave of human rights, the three-way marriage. I can honestly see this happening in the future. It's sounds silly, but if three people love each other, shouldn't they be allowed to get married? From there, we go to 4 and so on

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

It is bad because the children are the one that end up suffering. Do a little research on Bountiful(sp?) and the one in Utah. Then you might have a different opinion.

Actually I have read quite a bit about Bountiful.

And I would ask is it Polygamy that creates the suffering, or other practices (e.g. forcing young girls to marry).

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Azure

So we legalize it based on the belief that there is nothing wrong with it?

My sense of right and wrong is most likely different then yours. If a bill is introduced to legalize polygamy, I hope right and wrong is not thrown into the debate.

OK. Well let me post it another way. Why should we not allow Polygamy?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

OK. Well let me post it another way. Why should we not allow Polygamy?

Why should we not allow anybody to do anything?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Actually I have read quite a bit about Bountiful.

And I would ask is it Polygamy that creates the suffering, or other practices (e.g. forcing young girls to marry).

How is it suppose to work on a large scale??? If everyman had 5 wives, there would not be enough wives to go around. If you look into it, as you say you have, Polygamy is more about control than anything else.

[photon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Why should we not allow anybody to do anything?

When it harms society is one reason.

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

How is it suppose to work on a large scale??? If everyman had 5 wives, there would not be enough wives to go around. If you look into it, as you say you have, Polygamy is more about control than anything else.

Other women would have 5 husbands to balance everything out.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by photon

When it harms society is one reason.



Other women would have 5 husbands to balance everything out.

We both know it doesn't work that way.

You show me where any culture that practices polygamy, practices it so that the women has more spouses then the man.....it doesn't. I think there was one tribe in Africa that did it. Oh....ya.....I also think there was an alien race on Star Trek where it also happened.

[photon]

If Star Trek is wrong then I don't wanna be right!

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Why should we not allow anybody to do anything?

Because its bad for society.

Is polygamy bad for society.
If so how?