[Rumour] UPD: Canes will try to trade Adam Fox after he indicates he will not sign with them

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yes, maybe they lose Fox and Ferland. But they would have lost Hanifin and Lindholm LAST summer. So, not bad. I can’t imagine they would have received a larger return from anyone else.

How would they have lost them?

If this isn't a fleecing I don't know what is.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Can someone enlighten me why this is a good thing for the NHL. It seems to be BS, a team uses a pick in good faith and then hold their breath waiting to see if the control the player or not. Is this just because of draft ages in major junior versus NCAA?

I think there should be some reasonable compensation to the team that loses the player (I.eCanes). Like a second rounder. Make it less enticing for teams to sign these guys without giving up something decent.

They should just extend the years until UFA by one. Make them go play in Europe for a year or something if they really want to be a UFA

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

How would they have lost them?

If this isn't a fleecing I don't know what is.

Was it not reported that they weren’t interested in signing with the canes?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Can someone enlighten me why this is a good thing for the NHL. It seems to be BS, a team uses a pick in good faith and then hold their breath waiting to see if the control the player or not. Is this just because of draft ages in major junior versus NCAA?

I think there should be some reasonable compensation to the team that loses the player (I.eCanes). Like a second rounder. Make it less enticing for teams to sign these guys without giving up something decent.

I don’t like it either. I would prefer some alternative like maybe having a supplemental draft for college UFAs.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Dan403

I never liked Tom Fox.

Alan Fox.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Was it not reported that they weren’t interested in signing with the canes?

Think they wanted too but it was reported that the Canes were lowballing them hard.

Which seems crazy to see the great deals Treliving inked them too, so either that's not accurate, or they were REALLY lowballing them

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

I actually kind of feel bad for the Canes on this one. At least Treliving bailed on an asset that wasnt committed and turned him into something.

Why? All the cards were on the table.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Can someone enlighten me why this is a good thing for the NHL. It seems to be BS, a team uses a pick in good faith and then hold their breath waiting to see if the control the player or not. Is this just because of draft ages in major junior versus NCAA?

Major junior players can sign with any team they want too, if they wait four years following their draft. As can Euros from most leagues besides the KHL.

The difference is simply that one guy is getting a full ride scholarship towards a Harvard education, which gives him incentive to hold out.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Owen15

Can someone enlighten me why this is a good thing for the NHL. It seems to be BS, a team uses a pick in good faith and then hold their breath waiting to see if the control the player or not. Is this just because of draft ages in major junior versus NCAA?

There's no real difference. An 18 year old major junior player would be able to wait four years after being drafted (twice since the team only holds their rights for 2 years) and then become a UFA.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Think they wanted too but it was reported that the Canes were lowballing them hard.

Which seems crazy to see the great deals Treliving inked them too, so either that's not accurate, or they were REALLY lowballing them

Okay so the alternative is, Canes didn’t want them at that price. So they traded them away and got a decent return. I still don’t understand how this trade is hilariously in Calgary’s favour. It isn’t. The pieces definitely work better for the Flames than what went out, so that’s great.

Bottom line, there are no GMs in the league thinking “oh man I gotta be careful with treliving or he’ll fleece me”.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by btimbit

They should just extend the years until UFA by one. Make them go play in Europe for a year or something if they really want to be a UFA

Exactly. Five years instead of 4 would substantially reduce the number of players doing this.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Major junior players can sign with any team they want too, if they wait four years following their draft. As can Euros from most leagues besides the KHL.

The difference is simply that one guy is getting a full ride scholarship towards a Harvard education, which gives him incentive to hold out.

Don’t junior players have to re-enter the draft at least once?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Was it not reported that they weren’t interested in signing with the canes?

And Gaudreau wasn't signing with the Flames at one point. Contract negotiations, especially ones so early like that, don't mean you lose the player for nothing.

[Huntingwhale]

I hope the Canes can trade him and at least get something back. I harbor no ill-will towards them, as they gave us a couple sweet players and coach. But now that the writings on the wall, trade him and get something of value. He is still a blue-chip prospect and should garner a decent return.

I also don't blame Fox for finishing school. Yes the NHL awaits him with millions in riches. But there's something to be said for having a degree from freakin' Harvard. There is life after hockey, and he'll be set up quite nicely with that kind of education.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why? All the cards were on the table.

Yeah, I am sure the Canes were fully aware of the risk.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Don’t junior players have to re-enter the draft at least once?

After 2 years, if they are not signed, they re-enter the draft. If they are drafted again, after an additional 2 years, they are UFAs and able to sign where they want.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Don’t junior players have to re-enter the draft at least once?

Yeah they'd re-enter the draft but they'd still be able to be a UFA after the same amount of time as a college player. The only difference is there's no incentive too because they aren't getting a scholarship on top of it.

That's why I'd like to see the one extra year after college before being a UFA. That way the player can still finish school if he wants without the pressure of becoming a free agent, and if they really want to pick their own team they have to wait an extra year to turn pro in North America

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

After 2 years, if they are not signed, they re-enter the draft. If they are drafted again, after an additional 2 years, they are UFAs and able to sign where they want.

Yeah, the rules are the same for junior players vs College, it's just that Junior players can be signed and still play in Junior. You want to fix this, the NCAA needs to stop screwing over their athletes and let them sign a contract (even though it doesn't pay them).

[Vinny01]

Glad the Canes are poised to make the playoffs as this softens the blow of this trade. They get a year of Ferland and 3 years of Dougie and ended a long playoff drought with the moves they made this summer.

Realistically if Fox and Ferland walk it is 1 year of Ferland, 3 years of Dougie for 6 years of Ali shown/Hanifin (I know Treliving signed those after the trade but both players signed for around their rumored ask)

Pure steal for the Flames

[Oling_Roachinen]

Just imagine being a kid who decides he wants to finish his Harvard Education after being in school for 15 years and getting hated on for it. Ha.