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RedHot25 · 03-17-2019, 08:25 PM

It's ok to say your team messed up.

robbie111 · 03-17-2019, 08:27 PM

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Have you missed all the platform statements he's made and what he plans to implement should he become Premier of this province?

Of course Kenney and the UCP are guilty of attacking the NDP and their policies. Some of it being deserved like campaigning inside the Chinook hospital.

Have the UCP created 3 websites to smear Notley? Or Have they made it part of their election platform like the NDP has?

Furthermore, if we are to look back at all the spending the Dippers have done lately it raises concerns for me that we will get much of the same should Notley get re elected. Out of control spending with a continued growth in the debt and the associated credit down grades that go with it. She loves to spend taxpayers money with little or no regard to the ever growing debt.

I totally agree the last thing we need is the NDP reelected. However we can't have another Redford. Go ahead and support this kind of crap and that's the type of leader you deserve. Maybe instead it's time to recall him before the election and put Brian Jean in who was screwed out of his rightful place as leader.

Dion · 03-17-2019, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie111

I totally agree the last thing we need is the NDP reelected. However we can't have another Redford. Go ahead and support this kind of crap and that's the type of leader you deserve. Maybe instead it's time to recall him before the election and put Brian Jean in who was screwed out of his rightful place as leader.

What makes it so hard for me is that I tend to look at policies and platforms of a party as opposed to a leader.

He could very well be a Redford and then again maybe not. Time will tell should he win.

I don't think Notley wants to wait for the results of the investigation, even if there was a possibility of getting one. She'll drop the writ in the next few days and let the questions surrounding the RCMP investigation play in the minds of Albertans. The last thing she wants is a result that clears Kenney of any criminal activity.

Ozy_Flame · 03-17-2019, 08:39 PM

You can always vote for the Alberta Party, Dion. Might be the least worst of options for you.

robbie111 · 03-17-2019, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot25

It's ok to say your team messed up.

Hey our team may have made a mistake but it's not too late to change it.

By the way our team could run a goat as leader and he'd beat your team right now.

Johnny Makarov · 03-17-2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You can always vote for the Alberta Party, Dion. Might be the least worst of options for you.

Are you new to the thread? He is the biggest rah rah UCP cheerleader on here... haha

But is Kenney truly that stupid? Like he needed a 'darkhorse' candidate against Jean. Wasn't Kenney the clear favorite for the UCP leadership?

robbie111 · 03-17-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

What makes it so hard for me is that I tend to look at policies and platforms of a party as opposed to a leader.

He could very well be a Redford and then again maybe not. Time will tell should he win.

I don't think Notley wants to wait for the results of the investigation, even if there was a possibility of getting one. She'll drop the writ in the next few days and let the questions surrounding the RCMP investigation play in the minds of Albertans. The last thing she wants is a result that clears Kenney of any criminal activity.

The problem isn't policies of the party it never was. The problem if it proves to be true (and the emails seem to be proof to me) is that we will have another corrupt leader who fails miserably. That will again split the party apart. Just get rid of him now before it's too late. We need a recall and UCP members should be tweeting our Executive Director demanding either she or Jean take over.

Slava · 03-17-2019, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie111

Hey our team may have made a mistake but it's not too late to change it.

By the way our team could run a goat as leader and he'd beat your team right now.

So you propose that somehow you could enact recall and literally get that done in a day or two? I don’t think you understand how recall would work. It’s a process, and there’s zero percent chance that Kenney just acquiesces. Kenney is leading the UCP into this election, it’s far too late for any other option, and frankly it would be the most terrible strategy to run a general election campaign and at the same time try to take down the leader.

robbie111 · 03-17-2019, 09:08 PM

For some reason I can't quote you Slava.

Under UCP rules the Executive Director decides. If enough proof is shown (such as the emails already discovered) it would be at her discretion to remove him. I understand the time constraints because of the upcoming election so 2nd in the race would move to leader.

Slava · 03-17-2019, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie111

For some reason I can't quote you Slava.

Under UCP rules the Executive Director decides. If enough proof is shown (such as the emails already discovered) it would be at her discretion to remove him. I understand the time constraints because of the upcoming election so 2nd in the race would move to leader.

Well all I can say is that anything of the sort would be complete political disaster. It would discredit the party entirely, would cost them the election without a question. I’m not saying that with Kenney they win at this point because these allegations aren’t going to make it easy, but that would ensure it.

At this point it seems like there are enough people who basically see this as the one time in four years to get rid of the NDP; they don’t want to miss that! I can understand because that’s basically how they came to power in the first place!

robbie111 · 03-17-2019, 09:19 PM

Still can't quote you Slava sorry about that.

I think you are totally wrong. If the UCP investigated it quickly and came to the election pronouncing that this party will not stand for corruption and duplicity they might sweep Alberta. Imagine that a party that actually is honest and has consequences for corrupt actors.

snootchiebootchies · 03-17-2019, 09:36 PM

I'm not a fan of Kenney but I can't see how he (and the UCP) will lose this election. It's going to come down to the economy and the economy sucks for too many people, though I certainly wouldn't blame it on Notley. Still, for the RCMP to get involved in this scandal, it means there is something real there and I don't think one needs to go out on a limb to much to predict Kenney will ultimately have to resign like Redford did.

Dion · 03-17-2019, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You can always vote for the Alberta Party, Dion. Might be the least worst of options for you.

It may come down to that.

btimbit · 03-17-2019, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dion

It may come down to that.

It's the road I'm going down as well

Dion · 03-17-2019, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

It's the road I'm going down as well

robbie111 · 03-17-2019, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

It's the road I'm going down as well

Just hypothetical, would you vote UCP if Kenney was forced out or resigned and Jean took over as leader?

btimbit · 03-17-2019, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie111

Just hypothetical, would you vote UCP if Kenney was forced out or resigned and Jean took over as leader?

Can't say 100%, I'd have to look into my local candidate a bit more, but it would at least turn them into a realistic option again

Weitz · 03-17-2019, 10:19 PM

Something that is very interesting to me is that until recently voting in Canada has never been for the “leader” you would get lots of people voting for strong local leaders. But now it’s if you vote ucp you vote for Kenny.

It’s sad. Kenny could be charged with stuff and I could still vote for ucp because of what I want from my government. The leader doesn’t mean anything to me.

It seems crazy to me but you only have to look at the idiots who still wonder why people voted trump in a 2 team system to confirm why

robbie111 · 03-17-2019, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Weitz

Something that is very interesting to me is that until recently voting in Canada has never been for the “leader” you would get lots of people voting for strong local leaders. But now it’s if you vote ucp you vote for Kenny.

It’s sad. Kenny could be charged with stuff and I could still vote for ucp because of what I want from my government. The leader doesn’t mean anything to me.

It seems crazy to me but you only have to look at the idiots who still wonder why people voted trump in a 2 team system to confirm why

It has always been about the Leaders in Canada. There are no free votes typically as the party whip keeps MPs and MLAs in line. The reason why is governments in Canada can be forced down if they lose a money bill in a vote. So it's totally about the leaders.

Weitz · 03-17-2019, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by robbie111

It has always been about the Leaders in Canada. There are no free votes typically as the party whip keeps MPs and MLAs in line. The reason why is governments in Canada can be forced down if they lose a money bill in a vote. So it's totally about the leaders.

Well maybe in actuality. But most people I know vote on their MP. In reality it’s a team sport which is too bad.