[PGT] Still allergic to scoring. Flames lose 2-1

[jlh2640]

We have time to right the ship. The penalties on Hathaway and Hamonic were brutal. Like a joke basically. Vegas should watch the tape and watch how they head snap like a bunch of p@#$%& The disallowed goal was also a joke.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

No it isn't. He skated unimpeded and crashed into Fleury. It was pretty clearly on purpose. I call that every single time.

Yes...it is.

The fact that out of that entire scrum, where Miller and Fleury are both roughing up Tkachuk and Schultz comes into it like a raving lunatic when it is actually Fleury grabbing Tkachuks collar, Matty gets the extra two...that is embarrassing.

You call it whatever you want...minimum is Miller and Fleury should have had two each as well for roughing...or Schultz and Miller. Slice it however you want.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

We have time to right the ship. The penalties on Hathaway and Hamonic were brutal. Like a joke basically. Vegas should watch the tape and watch how they head snap like a bunch of p@#$%& The disallowed goal was also a joke.

I never did see an angle where it was clear that Hamonics stick actually hit the face.

[You Need a Thneed]

Watching that disallowed goal more, and I think, that by the letter of the law, there actually should be an interference call there.

...Not on Tkachuk, but rather on Fleury. Fleury uses his stick to prevent Tkachuk from going to a place on the ice he is entitled to go to. Sure, it might be unintentional on Fleury’s part, but many such calls are unintentional.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Love

I wonder if Dube can be our Point. And then Monahan can be our Drouin and get shipped out

Good comparison. Monahan is easily our 2nd-4th best forward. Dube is in the AHL and has proven nothing. It boggles my mind when fans hate a player that is demonstrably contributing to the success of the team, simply because they aren’t the player they want them to be.

Sorry, Monahan isn’t Bergeron. Guess we should get rid of him and his 30-40 goals.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I never did see an angle where it was clear that Hamonics stick actually hit the face.

Was on the Vegas feed, not sure why sportsnet wouldn't show it.

From the game thread, post 541 from "nfotiu"

"I flipped over to the Vegas feed, they have a replay of Stone getting hit in the mouth.

The goalie interference call was ridiculous."

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Was on the Vegas feed, not sure why sportsnet wouldn't show it.

From the game thread, post 541 from "nfotiu"

"I flipped over to the Vegas feed, they have a replay of Stone getting hit in the mouth.

The goalie interference call was ridiculous."

I was watching on SN and they showed Hamonic hitting Stone in the mouth. Hrudey was questioning the call and then said... "oh yeah, right there, he accidentally clips him."

Goalie Int call was horrendous

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Yes...it is.

The fact that out of that entire scrum, where Miller and Fleury are both roughing up Tkachuk and Schultz comes into it like a raving lunatic when it is actually Fleury grabbing Tkachuks collar, Matty gets the extra two...that is embarrassing.

You call it whatever you want...minimum is Miller and Fleury should have had two each as well for roughing...or Schultz and Miller. Slice it however you want.

Sorry, but no.

Tkachuk running over the goalie is 2 minutes every time.
The scrum almost always take one each.
That's what happened and will happen 9/10 times.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I have to think this isn't the case as I would sure like to hope that management would be smart enough to shut him down now and get him healthy for the playoffs.

If it requires season ending surgery, he’ll keep playing.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Sorry, but no.

Tkachuk running over the goalie is 2 minutes every time.
The scrum almost always take one each.
That's what happened and will happen 9/10 times.

Let’s eliminate the scrum, as that’s almost always going to be evened out. There are three penalizable events left:

Tkachuk running into Fleury
Miller(?) crosschecking Tkachuk while he lying on the ice
Fleury punching Tkachuk while he’s lying on the ice

Of those, Tkachuk bumping into fleury is easily the least dangerous play, and thus should be least likely to be called. Of course it is a penalty, and should be called, but miller and fleury should both get minors out of that too. Instead of the Flames getting the extra penalty, it should have been Vegas with the extra penalty.

[Plett Me Tell You]

I thought a player dropping their gloves to fight is 2 minutes. Does Fleury need to drop both gloves while hanging way back in his safe place zone or just one?

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Let’s eliminate the scrum, as that’s almost always going to be evened out. There are three penalizable events left:

Tkachuk running into Fleury
Miller(?) crosschecking Tkachuk while he lying on the ice
Fleury punching Tkachuk while he’s lying on the ice

Of those, Tkachuk bumping into fleury is easily the least dangerous play, and thus should be least likely to be called. Of course it is a penalty, and should be called, but miller and fleury should both get minors out of that too. Instead of the Flames getting the extra penalty, it should have been Vegas with the extra penalty.

That's quite a Homer look at the whole thing.

That's not how games are called.
If a player runs a goalie he gets 2.
If the goalie or player gives that guy a shot afterwards, that's no call.
If there's a scrum, it's either 2+2 or nothing at all.
Rittich took a shot at a guy for getting too close and didn't get a call.
Any changes to this "code" makes the game weak.

The only real call that we as fans should be pissed about is the call back of the goal.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

That's quite a Homer look at the whole thing.

That's not how games are called.
If a player runs a goalie he gets 2.
If the goalie or player gives that guy a shot afterwards, that's no call.
If there's a scrum, it's either 2+2 or nothing at all.
Rittich took a shot at a guy for getting too close and didn't get a call.
Any changes to this "code" makes the game weak.

The only real call that we as fans should be pissed about is the call back of the goal.

I don't think you can mention Rittich taking a "shot" at a guy and not getting called in the same post where you're worried about the game being weak.

Rittich did nothing there. Nothing.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I don't think you can mention Rittich taking a "shot" at a guy and not getting called in the same post where you're worried about the game being weak.

Rittich did nothing there. Nothing.

I get that we have rose glasses around here. But what I include in a post is a silly statement.

I said none of it should have been called. The only one that deserved a call was Tkachuk running the goalie. The rest is hockey.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Let’s eliminate the scrum, as that’s almost always going to be evened out. There are three penalizable events left:

Tkachuk running into Fleury
Miller(?) crosschecking Tkachuk while he lying on the ice
Fleury punching Tkachuk while he’s lying on the ice

Of those, Tkachuk bumping into fleury is easily the least dangerous play, and thus should be least likely to be called. Of course it is a penalty, and should be called, but miller and fleury should both get minors out of that too. Instead of the Flames getting the extra penalty, it should have been Vegas with the extra penalty.

A player bumping into a goalie unimpeded is a goalie interference call every time. There have been goalie interference calls resulting from far less contact between skater and goalie.

Players roughing it up after the whistle get ignored quite often.

Sorry but I agree this is a bit of a homerish take. The overturned goal was weak, but come on, the penalties were penalties.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Good comparison. Monahan is easily our 2nd-4th best forward. Dube is in the AHL and has proven nothing. It boggles my mind when fans hate a player that is demonstrably contributing to the success of the team, simply because they aren’t the player they want them to be.

Sorry, Monahan isn’t Bergeron. Guess we should get rid of him and his 30-40 goals.

He’s just trolling at this point. Don’t feed the troll!

[SuperMatt18]

Also don't get me wrong...Monahan hasn't been good in this recent stretch but IMO Gaudreau has been even worse. Just handling the puck like a grenade and countless turnovers at the offensive blueline.

Since the all-star break at even strength:

16 Games Played
0 Goals
6 assists
-7

Monahan is getting a lot of the blame since he doesn't have as much goodwill saved up, but in reality Gaudreau has been just as bad.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Sorry, but no.

Tkachuk running over the goalie is 2 minutes every time.
The scrum almost always take one each.
That's what happened and will happen 9/10 times.

I'm not arguing the goalie call or either call on Tkachuk...should have been coincidental IMO. Nothing to be sorry about...you are allowed your opinion.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Also don't get me wrong...Monahan hasn't been good in this recent stretch but IMO Gaudreau has been even worse. Just handling the puck like a grenade and countless turnovers at the offensive blueline.

Since the all-star break at even strength:

16 Games Played
0 Goals
6 assists
-7

Monahan is getting a lot of the blame since he doesn't have as much goodwill saved up, but in reality Gaudreau has been just as bad.

Was going to say this. Monahan's schtick is getting in position and shooting. Gaudreau's is gaining the zone and passing to Monahan or another receiver. Monahan is getting to his spot a lot more than Gaudreau is getting him (and others) the puck.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

That's quite a Homer look at the whole thing.

That's not how games are called.
If a player runs a goalie he gets 2.
If the goalie or player gives that guy a shot afterwards, that's no call.
If there's a scrum, it's either 2+2 or nothing at all.
Rittich took a shot at a guy for getting too close and didn't get a call.
Any changes to this "code" makes the game weak.

The only real call that we as fans should be pissed about is the call back of the goal.

Jebus its wasn't just a scrum, we all understand how a scrum works. When a guy is down on his back and 2 guys are taking shots at him it is not part of the scrum conversation. Then when it is practically calmed down Fleury grabs Tkachuk and pulls him in and Schmidt loses his brain...not homer at all.