The 2018/2019 UEFA Champion's League and International Club News Thread
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Here is the rule.
Jumping plays a role because it is what facilitates there being movement of the hand towards the ball. It's what makes his arm move into the path of the ball, making it not a ball to hand scenario.
There is actually nothing about "natural hand position" in the rule. The rule book was even updated to show that "the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence", it's all about movement, and if the ref feels like it was ball to hand or hand to ball.
Plus in this case it was an expected ball, and not an unexpected ball, hence him jumping to block the expected shot. That also plays a role.
I think the only argument is that it wasn't a deliberate hand ball. Player deliberately went to block the shot, but he didn't deliberately try to block it with his hand. That is a crazy fine line to walk and why it's a 50/50 call.
Well I disagree because then you can claim any arm to ball contact when attempting to play defence on a shot, wether he is jumping or not, is a handball and thats not supposed to be the rule. Regardless, let’s just agree it’s a 50/50 call, how can you overturn a play that is so clearly debatable. There needs to be some sort of clarification on how much evidence there needs to be to overturn a call and award a penalty.
Rio Ferdinand also agrees that this is not a penalty, Michael Owen says it’s not a spot kick in a million years. If you played this sport you know how ridiculous this call was, it’s not even close to debatable for me
Rio Ferdinand also agrees that this is not a penalty, Michael Owen says it’s not a spot kick in a million years. If you played this sport you know how ridiculous this call was, it’s not even close to debatable for me
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The players can disagree with it all they want - but based on the rule book and the definition I've seen from referees it's not the wrong call. The problem is it's a 50/50 call that can be interpreted differently since the FIFA rule book is actually some what vague on hand balls but based on all I've seen FIFA say to refs this is how they want them to make that call.
Watch this Video with former World Cup referee and the former US director of refereeing - it's how FIFA instructs their refs to make the call.
Around the 9 minute mark - "You took a chance, you took a risk, you stop the ball with your hands, and guess what we're going to call it".
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 03-06-2019 at 04:33 PM.
The players can disagree with it all they want - but based on the rule book and the definition I've seen from referees it's not the wrong call. The problem is it's a 50/50 call that can be interpreted differently since the FIFA rule book is actually some what vague on hand balls but based on all I've seen FIFA say to refs this is how they want them to make that call.
Watch this Video with former World Cup referee and the former US director of refereeing - it's how FIFA instructs their refs to make the call.
Around the 9 minute mark - "You took a chance, you took a risk, you stop the ball with your hands, and guess what we're going to call it".
I’m done debating this, you guys are crazy. Never in my life have I seen a penalty so soft given in that sort situation
The 2018/2019 UEFA Champion's League and International Club News Thread
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Originally Posted by devo22
you know you're wrong when a bad pundit like Michael Owen is your best defense ... and when you continuously argue with "if you played this sport".
Neymars whining makes this win even sweeter.
Because if you played this at a competitive level you would know that this isn’t a handball and if it was awarded against you you would be infuriated. It wasn’t even close to be a goal scoring opportunity, to go back and award a penalty for such a debatable play is ridiculous
Even if you wanna say its 100% not a penalty, there's a 99% chance United would have scored from the resulting corner. PSG are just chokers, they were destined to find a way to lose that game. To not have overran a glorified U23 United team is embarrassing, it should have never come down to the last minute. De Gea had a really easy night which says a lot. Not like he pulled them out of the fire. PSG were not even close to good enough.
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The 2018/2019 UEFA Champion's League and International Club News Thread
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Even if you wanna say its 100% not a penalty, there's a 99% chance United would have scored from the resulting corner. PSG are just chokers, they were destined to find a way to lose that game. To not have overran a glorified U23 United team is embarrassing, it should have never come down to the last minute. De Gea had a really easy night which says a lot. Not like he pulled them out of the fire. PSG were not even close to good enough.
You do know PSG were using Dani Alves at forward and were without Neymar and Cavani. You are making it seem like the team Man U used was not also worth well over one hundred million $. They subbed in two reserve team players at the end that did nothing so maybe that’s what you are trying to say. I’m sure they will make movies about it.
PSG could have put the greatest team ever assembled out there today and they still would have lost. They have no heart at all. Three years in a row with either the richest or second richest team ever (not sure if its them or Man City), three years in a row with R16 losses. Just a soft club.
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The 2018/2019 UEFA Champion's League and International Club News Thread
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
PSG could have put the greatest team ever assembled out there today and they still would have lost. They have no heart at all. Three years in a row with either the richest or second richest team ever (not sure if its them or Man City), three years in a row with R16 losses. Just a soft club.
Lol, you really believe Neymar wouldn’t of made a difference? Alrighty
Good penalty. Made his body bigger and zero effort to bring his arms in. Justice in a way as he shouldn't even have been eligible to play this game let alone score that OT goal.
Having your arms at a forty five degree angle to your body is NOT parallel. Anyone that has done maths at a competitive level knows that.
