The 2018/2019 UEFA Champion's League and International Club News Thread

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Lol, you are missing my point. That isn’t a handball ever. Refs are setting a terrible precedent.


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His elbow is sticking out from his body, it's been called that way with var in france and other leagues with var all season

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Egregious call or not (and it's not), the only reason it came down to it was because PSG can only play with their hands around their necks.

Explain how a handball should be given when a player is jumping, back turned to the play and didn’t move his arm toward the ball?


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[Senator Clay Davis]

His arm is flailing out there, he could and should have done more to keep it in.Why is he jumping blindly into the ball is a better question.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

His elbow is sticking out from his body, it's been called that way with var in france and other leagues with var all season

Sounds like you’ve never played football before. His arm is parallel with his body, it’s not a penalty and it wasnt called on the field. Way too debatable to give a penalty for it.


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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

His arm is flailing out there, he could and should have done more to keep it in.Why is he jumping blindly into the ball is a better question.

Back turned jumping, arm wasn’t in an unnatural position, he didn’t move the arm towards the ball. His arm was in that position before the ball was struck, there’s no way it’s intentional. It’s awful, again sets a terrible precedent.


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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Lol, you are missing my point. That isn’t a handball ever. Refs are setting a terrible precedent.


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It's a 50/50 call for sure.To say it's never a handball would be false. It wasn't exactly hand to ball, but it wasn't ball to hand either.

While it wasn't a deliberate act to move just his arm to block the ball, he did intentionally propel himself in the direction of the ball to block it and it did end up hitting his arm.

I think it's the right call personally.

If you believe 100% that it has to be deliberate hand to ball, then you could just have defenders jumping like he did, turning their back with their arms not tucked in, to block shots and take up space.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Sounds like you’ve never played football before. His arm is parallel with his body, it’s not a penalty and it wasnt called on the field. Way too debatable to give a penalty for it.


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Lol I dont even know what to say to the first part

His elbow is sticking out, hes effectively making his body wider, did he have intent, no, but players that make a clumsy tackle dont bave intent either

it was called by the ref, who missed it on the field, but gave it when he had a chance to see it clearly

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's a 50/50 call for sure.To say it's never a handball would be false. It wasn't exactly hand to ball, but it wasn't ball to hand either.



While it wasn't a deliberate act to move just his arm to block the ball, he did intentionally propel himself in the direction of the ball to block it and it did end up hitting his arm.



I think it's the right call personally.



If you follow 100% the rule that it has to be deliberate hand to ball, then you could just have defenders jumping to block with their arms away from their bodies all the time to block shots and take up space.

He was already jumping before ball was struck, there’s no way he knew the trajectory of the ball given the speed of the play, when you slow it down I guess you can claim he knew what he was doing but that’s why you can’t look at replays that use slow Kimpembe May of been careless by jumping with his back turned but his arm is parallel to his body. It’s an awful call.


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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Lol I dont even know what to say to the first part



His elbow is sticking out, hes effectively making his body wider, did he have intent, no, but players that make a clumsy tackle dont bave intent either



it was called by the ref, who missed it on the field, but gave it when he had a chance to see it clearly

Lol his elbow wasn’t sticking out, it was in a natural position. The reason why I question if you’ve played the sport is because you would know how impossible it is to get your arm out of the way when defending a shot from close distance. There isn’t any evidence of that being close to intentional


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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Beninho

He was already jumping before ball was struck, there’s no way he knew the trajectory of the ball given the speed of the play, when you slow it down I guess you can claim he knew what he was doing but that’s why you can’t look at replays that use slow Kimpembe May of been careless by jumping with his back turned but his arm is parallel to his body. It’s an awful call.


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Doesn't matter that the ball wasn't struck yet. He's jumping because he's trying to take away the shot, he's not jumping just because he felt like doing an awesome pirouette

It's a deliberate attempt to block the shot. He takes a risk by jumping and turning his back with his arm away from his body. It hits his arm. He took that risk and I think it should be penalized.

IMO the precedent set by not calling that is much worse.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Doesn't matter that the ball wasn't struck yet. He's jumping because he's trying to take away the shot, he's not jumping just because he felt like doing an awesome pirouette



It's a deliberate attempt to block the shot. He takes a risk by jumping and turning his back with his arm away from his body. It hits his arm. He took that risk and I think it should be penalized.



IMO the precedent set by not calling that is much worse.

His arm is parallel with his body, his arm didn’t deviate from its position. By your standard any ball to arm in the box will be given as a penalty. When you defend you try to block the shot so what it sounds like is you want all ball to arm contact in the box to be given as a penalty. Sounds fun to me, can’t wait to see how consistent this call will be with VAR!


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[J79]

Well well... Mr. Skomina at it again.
He just picks the team with the biggest name and decides in their favour.

I don't like his call, and I didn't like his call 3 weeks ago in Amsterdam. I don't think the VAR is intended for these kind of situations.

That being said, I hate teams with no identity and only try to buy their way into the history books, so I'm glad PSG is out.

[d_phaneuf]

What was florenzi doing, Porto ahead after a telles pen in et

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Beninho

His arm is parallel with his body, his arm didn’t deviate from its position. By your standard any ball to arm in the box will be given as a penalty. When you defend you try to block the shot so what it sounds like is you want all ball to arm contact in the box to be given as a penalty. Sounds fun to me, can’t wait to see how consistent this call will be with VAR!


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Personally I think his arm was far enough away from his body, and the other big part to me is the jump.

If he's standing still he probably gets benefit of the doubt but with the jump to propel himself into the path of the shot, plus with his arm being far enough away from his body, I think it's an okay call.

Like I said initially though it's a 50/50 call that I've seen go both ways, don't think it's some crazy horrible precedent setting call that you've made it out to be.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do feel bad for Buffon.

Guy is past it now, but damn I really want him to win a champions league.

Ya know I am almost completely with you, until he went mental on the ref for the handball last season.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Personally I think his arm was far enough away from his body, and the other big part to me is the jump.



If he's standing still he probably gets benefit of the doubt but with the jump to propel himself into the path of the shot, plus with his arm being far enough away from his body, I think it's an okay call.



Like I said initially though it's a 50/50 call that I've seen go both ways, don't think it's some crazy horrible precedent setting call that you've made it out to be.

You are wrong when you say jumping has anything to do with the handball. Him jumping to block the shot has no effect because his arm was still in a natural position parallel to his body (this is the rule) and he could not have done anything to prevent the ball from hitting his arm. Watch it in real time

VAR was meant for missed calls, this was not a missed call. It was called as not a hand ball on the field, It should not have been reviewed and it definitely shouldn’t of been overturned.


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[cam_wmh]

This thread is always more fun, with the hyperbole, & positivity the Spanish fans bring.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

This thread is always more fun, with the hyperbole, & positivity the Spanish fans bring.

I feel slightly disrespected that you called me Spanish


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[SuperMatt18]

Here is the rule.

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the
ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence

Jumping plays a role because it is what facilitates there being movement of the hand towards the ball. It's what makes his arm move into the path of the ball, making it not a ball to hand scenario.

There is actually nothing about "natural hand position" in the rule. The rule book was even updated to show that "the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence", it's all about movement, and if the ref feels like it was ball to hand or hand to ball.

Plus in this case it was an expected ball, and not an unexpected ball, hence him jumping to block the expected shot. That also plays a role.

I think the only argument is that it wasn't a deliberate hand ball. Player deliberately went to block the shot, but he didn't deliberately try to block it with his hand. That is a crazy fine line to walk and why it's a 50/50 call.

[GirlySports]

PSG are frauds. They're not even an important team in France. They are equivalent to the Canucks.


I'm not sure about VAR though, the slow-mo makes the handball a lot worse.