03-05-2019, 05:03 PM
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#1761
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First Line Centre
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I thought for sure the Flames were gonna make a deal with the Knights to take a goalie that Calgary wanted from the expansion draft.
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03-05-2019, 05:07 PM
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#1762
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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No thanks to any goalies who do not have over 91% in their career, or are over 31.
Does that limit the options?
Yes, but I think the Flames should actually pay assets for a bona fide goalie for once.
I still like Grubauer. If Lehner somehow makes it to free agency, he'd be a good option.
I like the idea of acquiring one of Arizona's goalies. Perhaps Aaron Dell in a 3 way trade (I doubt the Sharks trade to the Flames). Casey DeSmith is another option. Even Broissoit might make some sense.
There's not much to go off of, but I do think Sigalet should be fired. The goalies under him just haven't done well. There's not much else to say. Save percentage is one of the best stats in hockey, and Sigalet's goalies just haven't at decent save percentages.
Smith has been playing with seemingly correctable flaws. Why play the puck in such risky ways? Why stay so deep in the net while also playing so aggressively?
Why can't Sigalet get Smith to correct these tendancies?
Same thing goes for Rittich. Sigalet should be helping Rittich stay in the right mindset. As of now, Rittich doesn't seem to play well when the Flames aren't allow many shots. For some reason, Rittich also has troubles getting a shutout. And when he's bad, he's often very bad.
Is Sigalet awful? I don't know.
But I do think it's time to give someone else a chance. I doubt the options available are all worse than Sigalet.
If Sigalet is better than any goalie coach not currently in the NHL, then I stand corrected.
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03-05-2019, 05:13 PM
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#1763
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Aaron Dell is not very good.
Grubauer is Colorado's presumptive starter for next season. Varlamov will be gone.
Lehner would be ideal.
Kuemper would be a good idea, but Raanta would be a real prize.
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03-05-2019, 05:14 PM
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#1764
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I am guessing the difference is that he was deemed to be not a part of the problem.
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Does that mean Treliving is infallible?
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Brad Treliving has fired six coaches in his time in Calgary. Why would Sigalet continue to survive every regime unless he is doing something right?
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I'm sure he is doing something right. I'm unconvinced he's doing the most important aspect of his job right.
Maybe Sigalet's value as a goalie scout (was seemingly correct with respect to Schneider, Rittich, Parsons) has clouded management's ability to evaluate Sigalet as a goalie coach.
Maybe Sigalet has a very positive personal relationship with his goalies and they have only positive things to say about him as a person, even if he is incompetent as a professional.
Maybe Treliving is reticent to pin the blame on any goalie coach, with the knowledge that this could well be the kiss of death on his still-fledgling NHL career.
Maybe there's some unavoidable personal bias considering Sigalet's awe-inspiring story. Sigalet is a guy you can't help but cheer for given that he probably should not be working at all. I wouldn't want to be the guy to personally fire him.
Maybe the organization just hasn't put Sigalet under heavy scrutiny due to an unending supply of convenient rationalizations (i.e. "we played poor defensively"... "we were unlucky"... "our goalies lacked experience"... "our goalie is old and done and there's no solution"... "Ramo played better for a couple weeks after working with Sigalet once"...)
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03-05-2019, 05:15 PM
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#1765
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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I don't know if Sigalet is the problem but I know he hasn't been the solution and to me that's good enough reason for a change.
Elliott and Smith have both performed under their career average in Calgary. Some of that is aging curves but it could also be due to different coaching. Eliiott has bounced back in Philly a bit this season so not 100% that he lost his ability.
Part of his role has also been to be closely involved with our prospect development and it's clear that Ortio, Gillies, MacDonald, and Parsons have all stagnated under his tutelage.
Either way goaltending has been an issue for this team for a while now and IMO they should re-think how they approach the position. From both a drafting and scouting perspective, and from a coaching perspective.
Take a look at what the Islanders did in getting proven goalie guru in Mitch Korn in the offseason, and surprise surprise they turned it around after years of poor goaltending.
91-98: Sabres with Hasek
98-14: Predators with Vokoun, Rinne
15-18: Capitals with Holtby and Grubauer (both who haven't looked as good away from him)
18-19: Islanders with Greiss and Lehner (both having career seasons)
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03-05-2019, 05:15 PM
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#1766
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Aaron Dell is not very good.
Grubauer is Colorado's presumptive starter for next season. Varlamov will be gone.
Lehner would be ideal.
Kuemper would be a good idea, but Raanta would be a real prize.
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I have seen you mention this before. What do you imagine happening for the Arizona Coyotes to entertain the idea of moving Raanta?
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03-05-2019, 05:19 PM
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#1767
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I have seen you mention this before. What do you imagine happening for the Arizona Coyotes to entertain the idea of moving Raanta?
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Maybe they're disenchanted by Raanta's injury issues? Kuemper is younger and has performed admirably in his absence.
It's far more likely they trade Kuemper or even maybe Hill.
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03-05-2019, 05:21 PM
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#1768
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Does that mean Treliving is infallible?...
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Thanks. I think all of your thoughts about Sigalet's retention are certainly plausible.
My point in noting the length of his tenure and the fact that he has not been replaced was not to suggest that Treliving is infallible. I was rather pointing out that he has not been the least bit hesitant to make sweeping changes for the improvement of the team. Given his MO, it seems completely out of character for Treliving to give anyone a pass if they were not doing their job.
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03-05-2019, 05:30 PM
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#1769
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Thanks. I think all of your thoughts about Sigalet's retention are certainly plausible.
My point in noting the length of his tenure and the fact that he has not been replaced was not to suggest that Treliving is infallible. I was rather pointing out that he has not been the least bit hesitant to make sweeping changes for the improvement of the team. Given his MO, it seems completely out of character for Treliving to give anyone a pass if they were not doing their job.
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One thing I want to point out, is that everyone Treliving HAS fired has had a degree of success that wouldn't prevent them from finding another job
Bob Hartley won coach of the year, with Cloutier as his perennial sidekick
Dave Cameron had a top 10 PP in 2017. He also had his share of success before that.
Glen Gulutzan had a playoff team in 2017 and strong underlying numbers in 2018
Paul Jerrard had a had top 14 and top 7 PKs in 2017 and 2018
I think if Sigalet were fired, he wouldn't get another NHL job. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Treliving would be more willing to fire Sigalet after a truly strong year for goaltending, as strange as that may sound.
But it's looking more and more like that's never gonna happen.
Likewise, Gelinas never really had any success as a PP coach, but was kept around with a pretty poorly defined role.
The "these are real people" aspect of the job, IMO, is something that influences Treliving's management style. He wants to believe Sigalet can get the job done. Most of us do, but are more jaded than that.
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03-05-2019, 08:20 PM
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#1770
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Does Stockton have its own goalie coach? That might be a bigger concern.
Guys like Smith, Elliot and Hiller are all pretty average and flawed goalies to begin with. And being vets, it's not like Sigalet would be teaching them anything new really. He might be able to point to mistakes or work on conditioning, but that stuff is pretty standard stuff. Smith is probably stuck in his ways at this point.
Rittich is a younger goalie and would benefit more from a teacher, and he has taken a step forward this season.
I worry more about Gillies and Parsons stalling out.
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03-05-2019, 09:54 PM
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#1771
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wins 10 internets
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: slightly to the left
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Does Stockton have its own goalie coach? That might be a bigger concern.
Guys like Smith, Elliot and Hiller are all pretty average and flawed goalies to begin with. And being vets, it's not like Sigalet would be teaching them anything new really. He might be able to point to mistakes or work on conditioning, but that stuff is pretty standard stuff. Smith is probably stuck in his ways at this point.
Rittich is a younger goalie and would benefit more from a teacher, and he has taken a step forward this season.
I worry more about Gillies and Parsons stalling out.
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I think Gillies is already stalled going nowhere, and Parsons will probably join the long list of promising goaltending prospects that fail to make any kind of impact in the Flames system. The Flames inability to develop goaltenders in-house is their biggest failing as a franchise since the early 90's basically. They are one homerun trade by Sutter away from having the worst collection of goaltenders in the NHL for the past 30 years
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03-05-2019, 09:56 PM
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#1772
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Lethbridge Alberta
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Flames do not have a solid proven Goalie and you need one to win in the playoffs.
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03-06-2019, 01:04 AM
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#1773
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Kybb79
Flames do not have a solid proven Goalie and you need one to win in the playoffs.
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Maybe they will defy the odds.
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03-06-2019, 02:30 AM
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#1774
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Originally Posted by TheoFleury
Brian Elliott was an average goalie being propped up by elite defense IMO. And he could still never lock down the job. What his excuse these days? Is he suffering PTSD from the Sigalet years?
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You obviously haven't been following Philly.
Eliiot has been injured, but has played just fine.
.920sv%, 2.50 GAA, and that team definitely doesn't have elite defense.
Most recently Elliott has played five out of the last six games, with four wins and an OT loss.
As for Sigalet, any other coach with his track record would have been fired already, and nobody would question it.
It's honestly a bit bizarre why he's still around. Even if he's not a problem, he's obviously nothing special either.
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03-06-2019, 07:27 AM
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#1776
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Devils Advocate - What is he supposed to say when asked about the goaltending?
"I've sucked."
Then what? Whats the follow up? Where does the conversation possibly go?
Can you suck less?
Reporters want the sound bite. They try and goad (often poorly) players into coming out of their shell but they ask dead end questions.
If you ask him about his play over the course of the season, maybe he will shed some light on whats changed. Instead they ask him about consistency with no real context and of course he's going to bark back that he's been pretty good lately.
TLDR - Ask the question you want the answer to. Don't beat around the bush or hope the player follows your trail. And if you're afraid to ask the tough questions, you probably deserve to get barked at.
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03-06-2019, 07:55 AM
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#1777
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Devils Advocate - What is he supposed to say when asked about the goaltending?
"I've sucked."
Then what? Whats the follow up? Where does the conversation possibly go?
Can you suck less?
Reporters want the sound bite. They try and goad (often poorly) players into coming out of their shell but they ask dead end questions.
If you ask him about his play over the course of the season, maybe he will shed some light on whats changed. Instead they ask him about consistency with no real context and of course he's going to bark back that he's been pretty good lately.
TLDR - Ask the question you want the answer to. Don't beat around the bush or hope the player follows your trail. And if you're afraid to ask the tough questions, you probably deserve to get barked at.
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Problem for reporters is if you ask a question like that of a player, that may be the last time you get to ask a question because either that player won't take your questions or the team will take you aside and kindly remind you to not be a jerk.
Journalism in sports especially the local coverage has gone too soft and is on too familiar of terms with players and management for my liking
Anyways, as for Sigalet, the fact that the flames are the ONLY team since 2014-15 to not finish higher than 17th in SV% is ridiculous...(somehow we have worse goaltending than the flyers and Oilers?!?) Yes, I understand that we can't prove causality but there is certainly some correlation and eventually change for the sake of change might be the right thing.
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03-06-2019, 08:03 AM
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#1778
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Devils Advocate - What is he supposed to say when asked about the goaltending?
"I've sucked."
Then what? Whats the follow up? Where does the conversation possibly go?
Can you suck less?
Reporters want the sound bite. They try and goad (often poorly) players into coming out of their shell but they ask dead end questions.
If you ask him about his play over the course of the season, maybe he will shed some light on whats changed. Instead they ask him about consistency with no real context and of course he's going to bark back that he's been pretty good lately.
TLDR - Ask the question you want the answer to. Don't beat around the bush or hope the player follows your trail. And if you're afraid to ask the tough questions, you probably deserve to get barked at.
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He attacked the media on 2 occasions. Called the fans out after the Minnesota game and called out his team multiple times last year. Was not a fan of the way he conducts his interviews last year and in seasons past in Phoenix, but this season he’s been considerably worse in front of the mic
He’s never had problems calling out his teammates and yet, now that he’s been one of the worst goaltenders in the league this season while costing his team numerous points in the standings, he seems to have a hard time taking accountability and always seems defensive. Really comes off as an unlikeable guy. If we had MA Fleury and he was struggling, at least we’d have a nice guy who doesn’t come off as perpetually crabby.
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03-06-2019, 08:16 AM
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#1779
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
One thing I want to point out, is that everyone Treliving HAS fired has had a degree of success that wouldn't prevent them from finding another job
Bob Hartley won coach of the year, with Cloutier as his perennial sidekick
Dave Cameron had a top 10 PP in 2017. He also had his share of success before that.
Glen Gulutzan had a playoff team in 2017 and strong underlying numbers in 2018
Paul Jerrard had a had top 14 and top 7 PKs in 2017 and 2018
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Except Hartley, GG and Jerrard did not, in fact, get jobs with actual NHL teams after being fired by Treliving.
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03-06-2019, 08:17 AM
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#1780
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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But Gully got hired by the Oil-oh.
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