Interesting; This comment made me wonder if he really owned up to it, or if he feels Hanifin got in the way?
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C’mon, Smith own up to it?
So, I am having difficulty reading Smith's comments and seeing anything objectionable in how he responded. Can someone please spell out more clearly for me what he said that was so troubling?
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So, I am having difficulty reading Smith's comments and seeing anything objectionable in how he responded. Can someone please spell out more clearly for me what he said that was so troubling?
Nothing to point out, just wondering if there was an issue for Smith, Hanifin getting tangled up behind the net.
So, I am having difficulty reading Smith's comments and seeing anything objectionable in how he responded. Can someone please spell out more clearly for me what he said that was so troubling?
There actually is a clear and objectionable difference in the post-game comments you posted between the Montreal game and last night's game.
He is taking clear ownership of it in the Montreal game. He did not in his interview last night despite him bearing similar responsibility for the loss.
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There actually is a clear and objectionable difference in the post-game comments you posted between the Montreal game and last night's game.
He is taking clear ownership of it in the Montreal game. He did not in his interview last night despite him bearing similar responsibility for the loss.
You must have read different post game comments than me.
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So, I am having difficulty reading Smith's comments and seeing anything objectionable in how he responded. Can someone please spell out more clearly for me what he said that was so troubling?
I don’t think the argument people are making us that he said anything necessarily wrong, so much as that he avoided saying something they may have been looking for.
He certainly didn’t outright own anything. He acknowledged that a mistake was made, and that ‘you can’t’ make mistakes. He did not select the words that unambiguously place responsibility on himself.
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I was way more annoyed with the 5 hole goal than I was with his behind the net blunder. A weak slap shot with no traffic needs to be saved 10 out of 10 times. It’s just his tendency to forget his fundamentals that is the most worrying thing about Smith. I can give him a mulligan for playing the puck all wrong because he has been doing it well over the 7 game winning streak. That 4th goal was just so bad.
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There actually is a clear and objectionable difference in the post-game comments you posted between the Montreal game and last night's game.
He is taking clear ownership of it in the Montreal game. He did not in his interview last night despite him bearing similar responsibility for the loss.
Agree with this as well.
Arguably, last night's major gaffs were even worse than in Montreal as well which should make total acceptance easier.
I will say though that I also understand completely why a goalie like Smith wouldn't be all over blaming himself, but I don't think it's a great attribute in team sport necessarily.
For a goalie clearly lacking in confidence though? Yeah, hard to publicly acknowledge that perhaps the thing that makes you unique and valuable may also periodically cost the team games.
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I was way more annoyed with the 5 hole goal than I was with his behind the net blunder. A weak slap shot with no traffic needs to be saved 10 out of 10 times. It’s just his tendency to forget his fundamentals that is the most worrying. I can give him a mulligan for playing the puck all wrong because he has been doing it well over the 7 game winning streak. That 4th goal was just so bad
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Small caveat:
He wasn't playing the puck well during the winning streak, it just didn't end up costing the team wins.
This was just 10 days ago:
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He wasn't playing the puck well during the winning streak, it just didn't end up costing the team wins.
This was just 10 days ago:
In before the “broken stick” comments....
He had no business playing that puck with the trapezoid rule.
Trying to go back through the Duck was so dumb I can’t even rationalize it. Brodie went straight to the back of he net assuming smith would do the smart play. But no, he has to make the hard play. Every time. For little reward. It’s so tiring.
I don’t think the argument people are making us that he said anything necessarily wrong, so much as that he avoided saying something they may have been looking for.
He certainly didn’t outright own anything. He acknowledged that a mistake was made, and that ‘you can’t’ make mistakes. He did not select the words that unambiguously place responsibility on himself.
Which made me wonder if he felt Hanifin got in the way. In Flash's clip for example Brodie gets caught between Smith and the net. Smith just basically says the puck was miss-played.
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Small caveat:
He wasn't playing the puck well during the winning streak, it just didn't end up costing the team wins.
This was just 10 days ago:
Ya I mean he gives me a heart attack once a game with his puck playing but he was objectively playing the puck better than he was at the beginning of the season. There just seems to be no middle ground with smith when playing the puck. He goes after them all, even if they are elevated he will try and knock it down. It’s just a recipe for disaster in the playoffs where teams will be all over Smith when he does play a puck he shouldn’t. There’s no other goalie in the league that tries to handle every dumped puck like Smith does. That makes me think that either the flames are in on something no other team is or that the Flames are really testing their luck with a goalie whose shown time and time again that he can make massive mistakes.
I was way more annoyed with the 5 hole goal than I was with his behind the net blunder. A weak slap shot with no traffic needs to be saved 10 out of 10 times. It’s just his tendency to forget his fundamentals that is the most worrying thing about Smith. I can give him a mulligan for playing the puck all wrong because he has been doing it well over the 7 game winning streak. That 4th goal was just so bad.
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The problem with the behind the net blunder to me is the decision making once he lost control.
I get the mulligan for losing control, but he then needed to recognize at what point it was now his D’s puck battle, and whether he is of more value to the team behind the net or in the crease.
I don’t think you get 2 mulligans on one play
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Ya I mean he gives me a heart attack once a game with his puck playing but he was objectively playing the puck better than he was at the beginning of the season. There just seems to be no middle ground with smith when playing the puck. He goes after them all, even if they are elevated he will try and knock it down. It’s just a recipe for disaster in the playoffs where teams will be all over Smith when he does play a puck he shouldn’t.
I don't want him shying away from playing pucks, but he needs to really learn when to let them go - or failing that, knowing when to abandon his attempt and scramble back into the net.
These low-shot games are bad for him in particular and I've touched on this a couple months back. He attempts to stay engaged and focused through playing the puck for his team, which is understandable, but then occasional blunders happen.
If you have to be peppered with pucks to turn out a great performance, then I don't think he is the right fit for a good team. Probably a bad team.
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Is it possible the coaches are telling him to play the puck as much as possible?
It's frustrating because it's true that he can often handle the puck better than most goalies, but more often than not, the rest of the players seem thrown off when he does handle the puck. The chemistry just doesn't seem to be there and it nullifies any possible advantage at best. At worst, it creates a liability.
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Which made me wonder if he felt Hanifin got in the way. In Flash's clip for example Brodie gets caught between Smith and the net. Smith just basically says the puck was miss-played.
Agreed. He definitely declined the opportunity to take responsibility.
After the play in Flash’s clip I also remember Smith mentioning ‘running in to Brodes’ on the way back.
By that point, his likelihood of being in a good controlled stopping position was pretty much non existent.
It’s a pattern of behaviour, and I am surprised at some posters playing dumb about it.
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I don't want him shying away from playing pucks, but he needs to really learn when to let them go - or failing that, knowing when to abandon his attempt and scramble back into the net.
These low-shot games are bad for him in particular and I've touched on this a couple months back. He attempts to stay engaged and focused through playing the puck for his team, which is understandable, but then occasional blunders happen.
If you have to be peppered with pucks to turn out a great performance, then I don't think he is the right fit for a good team. Probably a bad team.
That’s an interesting point, it’s almost as if he feels the need to overplay the puck when a team is sitting back when in reality the team really needs him to just not concede a goal. This happened vs the Wild and Ducks, two teams that struggle to score. His puck playing really did not effect the wild at all as they were too busy playing prevention hockey. Smiths puck playing isn’t really needed vs a team that isn’t generating much offence, it increases the likelihood that an error will occur vs a team where this risk isn’t needed. Vs high scoring teams I understand that the risk vs reward may be worth it. When playing teams like the wild it is not, Smith needs to adjust to these types of games.
He wasn't playing the puck well during the winning streak, it just didn't end up costing the team wins.
This was just 10 days ago:
This a good example, both players approach on either side of Smith (which is part of the game plan); This one fails because Brodie gets caught between Smith and the net. I may be wrong but that was part of the reason Smith get gets frustrated during that play. The incident on the Wild game is that Hanifin gets tangled up with Smith instead of stopping on either side, which is why Smith refuses to leave because Hanifin is in the wrong spot. This may be why Smith doesn't directly own up to it because there was a communication issue on the ice.
