Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

John Gillies has had hip surgery. Thatcher Demko too. Now, goalies may be different I guess.

Yeah, from what I understand certain hip problems aren't uncommon to goalies, and actually addressing it under the age of 24 is incredibly advantageous.

What a strange Tweet from Matheson. Are they truly that befuddled at how injuries and age are not mutually exclusive? Sam Bennett had major shoulder surgery before his 20th birthday.

Something in the water, all right.

[Boreal]

As frustrating as Sam Bennett's development has been at times.

Jesse Puljujarjarbinx has as many points in his NHL career (139 games) as Sam Bennett had after his rookie campaign (78 games).

But I don't blame Jesse either.

[Beninho]

Russell makes 800k less than Lindholm, that’s unreal


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

As frustrating as Sam Bennett's development has been at times.

Jesse Puljujarjarbinx has as many points in his NHL career (139 games) as Sam Bennett had after his rookie campaign (78 games).

But I don't blame Jesse either.

I think he has to shoulder some blame here. It is patently evident that Puljujarvi has stood in his own way of development. He has not committed adequately to learning English, and it appears that he has blocked the team from assigning him to the AHL on a few occasions. The Oilers are certainly no good at developing prospects, but Puljujarvi is also no good for making it even more difficult.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gee, I guess athletes should just never negotiate at all, and Matthews was an idiot to only go for 5 years. Johnny too. Of course it's a risk. But it's not black and white and you go on odds. How many guys of his calibre are put out of the game like that?

The penalties for holding out during a contract are that time stands still, plus you owe a bunch of money - see the Yashin case.

This athlete used his leverage to maximize his earnings as early as possible. His agent negotiated well. He won. He was smart to do it.

People are arguing he should have waited to take less money and less term while absorbing risk. That would be dumb.

[Resolute 14]

Puljujarvi is Edmonton's Sven Baertschi. The team made some mistakes, but the player spent a lot of time hanging himself as well.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think he has to shoulder some blame here. It is patently evident that Puljujarvi has stood in his own way of development. He has not committed adequately to learning English, and it appears that he has blocked the team from assigning him to the AHL on a few occasions. The Oilers are certainly no good at developing prospects, but Puljujarvi is also no good for making it even more difficult.

It's pretty clear from the smoke that filters out of Dumpmonton that Puljujarvi does not want to be there. That said, you're right. Man up, Jesse.

Would love the Flames to take a shot as a reclamation project. Gotta do it quick before the Oileritis becomes malignant like it did with Yakupov.

[Ashasx]

JP's red flag should have been obvious at the draft when a Finnish GM passed on him. The kid still refuses to learn English.

The Oilers haven't helped him, but this is on JP.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by GGG

This athlete used his leverage to maximize his earnings as early as possible. His agent negotiated well. He won. He was smart to do it.

People are arguing he should have waited to take less money and less term while absorbing risk. That would be dumb.

I guess if it was all about money and having zero pride or sense of accomplishment. Then yes, he won!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

This athlete used his leverage to maximize his earnings as early as possible. His agent negotiated well. He won. He was smart to do it.

People are arguing he should have waited to take less money and less term while absorbing risk. That would be dumb.

Money is great and all, but his whole life is about playing hockey, and I would imagine guys like that put a lot of value on winning, and hopefully getting a Cup. He could have signed for 5 years for less money, sure, but then had a chance at achieving a life goal. As it is now, it is slipping away. How much money do you need? Does it make you happy? Once you have enough, is going for your dream not a worthy reason to leave money on the table? Sure, the agent doesn't care about that, but I'd suspect some players do.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Oh I see, thanks for the refresher.

I’m just very confused then. With all the 1,000s of ligitimate reasons to point at laugh at that team up north, why on earth do we need to make up stuff, including (but not limited to):
- McDavid rarely faces the media after a loss.
\.

I never said he rarely faces the media.
I was reacting to a media member excusing him from participating in post game interviews. That's not leadership.
The Oilers and the media constantly place McDavid above the rest of the team.
That's not leadership.
In some of the most awful Flames losses Gio has been the guy front and centre.
McDavid should have been. Because that's what a leader does.
Not only should he not have accepted being told he didn't have to do it but he should have been the guy that walked right out there to take it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

JP's red flag should have been obvious at the draft when a Finnish GM passed on him. The kid still refuses to learn English.

The Oilers haven't helped him, but this is on JP.

There is a lesson to be learned here for teams and scouts as well. When Kekalainan passed on Puljujarvi the Oilers went off script and jumped at a player about whom they clearly knew nothing. They were unprepared, and it was obvious. Word out of Edmonton was that they would draft a defenseman like Sergachev or Chychrun, but most of the pundits had them grabbing Tkachuk at #4. They would have been much better off by merely sticking to their own script. So, the lesson here is to either be prepared for anything to occur, or follow through with your own plan limited to what you know.

But of course, the Edmonton Oilers are stupid.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There is a lesson to be learned here for teams and scouts as well. When Kekalainan passed on Puljujarvi the Oilers went off script and jumped at a player about whom they clearly knew nothing. They were unprepared, and it was obvious. Word out of Edmonton was that they would draft a defenseman like Sergachev or Chychrun, but most of the pundits had them grabbing Tkachuk at #4. They would have been much better off by merely sticking to their own script. So, the lesson here is to either be prepared for anything to occur, or follow through with your own plan limited to what you know.

But of course, the Edmonton Oilers are stupid.

Yep, I remember Chia didn't pronounce his name right and they didn't even have a jersey with his name on it. Classic oilers lol

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There is a lesson to be learned here for teams and scouts as well. When Kekalainan passed on Puljujarvi the Oilers went off script and jumped at a player about whom they clearly knew nothing. They were unprepared, and it was obvious. Word out of Edmonton was that they would draft a defenseman like Sergachev or Chychrun, but most of the pundits had them grabbing Tkachuk at #4. They would have been much better off by merely sticking to their own script. So, the lesson here is to either be prepared for anything to occur, or follow through with your own plan limited to what you know.

But of course, the Edmonton Oilers are stupid.

I shuddered just reading this.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Puljujarvi is Edmonton's Sven Baertschi. The team made some mistakes, but the player spent a lot of time hanging himself as well.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

JP's red flag should have been obvious at the draft when a Finnish GM passed on him. The kid still refuses to learn English.

The Oilers haven't helped him, but this is on JP.

I am not saying that JP doesn't bear some personal responsibility for not taking control of his own future and development. But let's remember that these top prospects are still teenagers when they are drafted. Part of the team's responsibility is to not just develop their talent, but also give them guidance and an atmosphere that also develops them into young men and professionals.

If JP was the exception, I would say that it more on him. But with the Oilers, there is a clear pattern of screwing up development on all fronts. I see JP's development as a factor the of the Oilers not doing a good job and putting the weight of the world on these kids without proper mentorship and discipline. Another franchise probably would have gotten through to him and he would be more motivated.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I shuddered just reading this.

I was shuddering when the Canucks were at the podium next and heard the words "from the London Knights..."

and then I jumped for joy when I head "...Olli Juolevi"

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Man. Oilers media are just the worst. And they wonder why players don't want to play in Edmonton. What a hack.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1101192493540884480

So...Puljujarvi is faking it? What an inanely stupid comment. They really deserve their crappy team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

JP's red flag should have been obvious at the draft when a Finnish GM passed on him. The kid still refuses to learn English.

The Oilers haven't helped him, but this is on JP.

Kekalainen must have had inside intel on this player than most teams and scouts did not. I'm not so sure the Flames don't pick him at that position and I still have the THN draft issue where they compare both him and Laine and make a compelling case for that he was just as good of a player.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Kekalainen must have had inside intel on this player than most teams and scouts did not. I'm not so sure the Flames don't pick him at that position and I still have the THN draft issue where they compare both him and Laine and make a compelling case for that he was just as good of a player.

Yeah, I am confident that there wasn't a single source that had JP going outside of the top 5. All that I recall had him in the top 3.

Kekalainen might have been smarter than everyone else, I would bet that most other teams would have picked JP at 4.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by neo45

Gulutzan doesn’t get enough hate on here for what a terrible terrible coach he was. I maintain the reason the Oilers had one good year is because of the confidence they got absolutely pumping us to start of their season, which lead to all those Spector articles which are hilarious to read now. The team got shelled and it took months for them get their confidence back that season. The guy had zero instinct and feel for the game.

His game plan to beat was McDavid was to put Dennis Wideman against him. Think about that. He played Dougie on the bottom pairing with Niklas Grossmann.

The best thing possible for a Flames fan is Gulutzan behind the Oilers bench for a few years. The best possible outcome.

And partly because I think they swept us that season, thats a 10 point swing. We handed them 10 free 'Gully Points.'