[Rumour] UPD: Flames are done for the day. Zucker deal does not go through

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Its true. The Knights having the cap space to re-sign Mark Stone was probably the reason they were willing to give up Brannstrom. The future was not affected as badly given they were able to re-sign Stone. Who knows? If Treliving had the space to re-sign Stone, he might have been more willing to move Valimaki? I don't know.

Strictly my opinion but I believe Valimaki might be the most untouchable type player on the roster.

Just from watching how BT operates and what he has said in the past and for sure understanding how he feels about having high end defensemen on his squads....JV might the single most important piece on this roster to BT, particularly long-term.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Its true. The Knights having the cap space to re-sign Mark Stone was probably the reason they were willing to give up Brannstrom. The future was not affected as badly given they were able to re-sign Stone. Who knows? If Treliving had the space to re-sign Stone, he might have been more willing to move Valimaki? I don't know.

When I was watching the Maloney hit on TSN yesterday and it really seemed like the signing factor was going to be a big issue and one of the driving reasons the Flames held back on including Valimaki and making the deal.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because James Neal is a buyout candidate and Jason Zucker can actually still get up and down the ice.

Hard to describe in words just how badly having James Neal on this roster right now impacted the ability of the flames to improve the team yesterday.

I get that Neal has been useless this season.

But what sort of buyout are you talking about? Regular buyout where the buyout cap hit gets spread out till the end of time or are their rumors of compliance buyouts this off season?

A regular buyout this summer would be 2/3's of $5.75 for double the reaming contract length I think. So $2.875m for 8 years?

No chance the Flames handicap their salary structure by doing that.

[Flash Walken]

The cost to sign mark stone is the equivalent of what the flames are paying Mike stone and Neal this year.

All of those tremendous contracts at the top of the lineup completely negated.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by rohara66

I get that Neal has been useless this season.

But what sort of buyout are you talking about? Regular buyout where the buyout cap hit gets spread out till the end of time or are their rumors of compliance buyouts this off season?

A regular buyout this summer would be 2/3's of $5.75 for double the reaming contract length I think. So $2.875m for 8 years?

No chance the Flames handicap their salary structure by doing that.

I would've moved a 1st + Neal for future considerations if it meant getting out from under that albatross.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Had Treliving turned Neal and futures into Zucker yesterday there would have been plenty of Wizard gifs on these boards

With Fenton around, I don't think the Neal and futures for Zucker is a closed door, especially if Neal can pick up where he left off and put up some more points, even more so if he can play a role in the playoffs.

Missing out on Mark Stone also hopefully means they don't think too hard about dumping Michael Stone this offseason. They should be able to do that fairly easily considering what guys like Del Zotto and even Gudbranson went for

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I would've moved a 1st + Neal for future considerations if it meant getting out from under that albatross.

Same.

But my original post was if Zucker was coming to the Flames that either Neal or Frolik (or another forward) would have been going back to Minnesota.

The Flames aren't in a position to be taking another forward (like Zucker) without dumping someone like Frolik or Neal.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Jore

With Fenton around, I don't think the Neal and futures for Zucker is a closed door, especially if Neal can pick up where he left off and put up some more points, even more so if he can play a role in the playoffs.

Missing out on Mark Stone also hopefully means they don't think too hard about dumping Michael Stone this offseason. They should be able to do that fairly easily considering what guys like Del Zotto and even Gudbranson went for

I agree. If the Flames were trying to trade Neal and a 1st round pick for Zucker, then the Flames should hope Neal heats up down the stretch and in the playoffs. I imagine Fenton would then be willing to revisit the deal given the value of 1st round picks at the draft. Getting rid of the Neal contract would be huge.

[Roof-Daddy]

Why in the world would anyone give up our 1st round pick to get out from a contract that isn't holding the team back??

I think being 2nd in the league has bought Neal some time to turn it around before the Flames need to start dumping futures to get rid of him.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Bob McKenzie on Cgy/Wild deal

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-105...jury-1.1264308

Dreger's take at 15:35:

"I think it was a timing thing. But I haven't gotten through all the details coming out of Calgary. I can tell you that (I didn't talk to Brad Treliving directly) but I was told that he was white hot. So whether that's directed at Minnesota, whether that's directed at something internally, whether that's directed at the league.

Because I can tell you this, (...) there was a logjam, there always is, but there was a jam up at central registry so maybe it was just an issue of the queue being too long. But normally what happens is as long as the trade is filed, they still honour it, you just have to go through the process. We'll dig a little deeper and find out what the backstory is but I know Calgary wasn't pleased at all."

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Why in the world would anyone give up our 1st round pick to get out from a contract that isn't holding the team back??

I think being 2nd in the league has bought Neal some time to turn it around before the Flames need to start dumping futures to get rid of him.

For me, its the combination of not having Neal on the books and also getting a much better player in Zucker. I think that's worth a late 1st round pick.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Nelson

For me, its the combination of not having Neal on the books and also getting a much better player in Zucker. I think that's worth a late 1st round pick.

Absolutely it is. I believe the post you were replying to was referring to giving up a 1st and Neal for future considerations, which would be silly.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by AC

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-105...jury-1.1264308

Dreger's take at 15:35:

Was Ken King on a flight some where?

[Bonded]

Interesting from Dreger. Wonder if the deal will actually flow out over the next few weeks.

[the2bears]

Even if they had the cap room, would the Flames want Stone at 9.5+? I doubt it.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Interesting from Dreger. Wonder if the deal will actually flow out over the next few weeks.

I bet it gets kept quiet and they re-visit the trade before the draft

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by rohara66

I get that Neal has been useless this season.

But what sort of buyout are you talking about? Regular buyout where the buyout cap hit gets spread out till the end of time or are their rumors of compliance buyouts this off season?

A regular buyout this summer would be 2/3's of $5.75 for double the reaming contract length I think. So $2.875m for 8 years?

No chance the Flames handicap their salary structure by doing that.

$1.9 million until 2027. Save $3.8 million for the next 4 years and then hit of $2m for the next 4. Doesn't seem outside the realm of possibilities.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-c...eal/2019-06-15

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jore

With Fenton around, I don't think the Neal and futures for Zucker is a closed door, especially if Neal can pick up where he left off and put up some more points, even more so if he can play a role in the playoffs.

Missing out on Mark Stone also hopefully means they don't think too hard about dumping Michael Stone this offseason. They should be able to do that fairly easily considering what guys like Del Zotto and even Gudbranson went for

Agreed

Fenton did a nice job of ruining his reputation over the past few months.

Nino Nideritter for Victor Rask -> already looking like a huge loss
Charlie Coyle for Ryan Donato+1st -> initial thoughts this was a bad trade
Mikael Granlund for Kevin Fiala -> initial thoughts this was a bad trade
Jason Zucker for ? -> good chance we would have been pumped as Flames fans.

Ultimately the Flames not adding Hayes, Stone, Duchene etc and giving up futures has left the team a little thinner for this run but a lot more flexibility this summer. One big issue that may still impact the team is in net. Had this team gave up Valimaki, multiple 1sts and more for Stone it would have really been challenging to make that fit long term regardless. If Smith and Rittich falter in the playoffs that position could be back to priority one this summer. Having our future picks, prospects and structure allow more flexibility to make changes this summer and next year.


As a fan who is loving this season, took the day off to watch the deadline, and felt Mark Stone it r Kevin Hayes were the perfect fit I was letdown with yesterday. Treliving is usually good for some entertainment on this day. 15- Sven trade came out of nowhere, 16- Russell trade was a nice haul, 17- Lazar trade came out of nowhere, 18- nothing 19- nothing but got close to something pretty big.

While I was letdown it had more to do with the moment/day but long term I think it was fine this team did nothing. I am excited about our 4 young Dmen and Dube. I have no concern about signing Tkachuk, Bennett or Rittich while also having some flexibility to do other things this summer. Ultimately James Neal needs to wake up after this injury and be our deadline acquisition

[Flash Walken]

Happy with his Team










White Hot about trade not going through involving roster player.

[868904]

Originally Posted by AC

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-105...jury-1.1264308

Dreger's take at 15:35:

Lol at Tre. "White hot" and then cool as a cucumber at the pressers. "Nope, not frustrated at all".

I don't know if it's really that big a loss. Frolik is still a good player and very versatile. Plus his contract is almost done.

As for Neal, he could still come up big in the playoffs. In fact, it's probably a toss up between who would be more effective in the playoffs (Zucker vs Neal).