[Rumour] UPD: Flames are done for the day. Zucker deal does not go through

[Bingo]

If the Flames go 10-10-0 the rest of the way the Sharks need to go 11-6-2 to have more points.

If Calgary goes 12-8-0 San Jose needs to be 13-4-2.

Calgary's in the driver seat.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If the Flames go 10-10-0 the rest of the way the Sharks need to go 11-6-2 to have more points.

If Calgary goes 12-8-0 San Jose needs to be 13-4-2.

Calgary's in the driver seat.

I just had a horrifying flashback to 08/09 when we blew that lead to the Canucks. People would constantly post those exact type of record scenarios. And the worst one came true. What was it? 12 points up at the all star break or something ridiculous like that?

Never again.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I just had a horrifying flashback to 08/09 when we blew that lead to the Canucks. People would constantly post those exact type of record scenarios. And the worst one came true. What was it? 12 points up at the all star break or something ridiculous like that?

Never again.

That was the most memorable deadline day ever as well. Jokinen and Leopold.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If the Flames go 10-10-0 the rest of the way the Sharks need to go 11-6-2 to have more points.

If Calgary goes 12-8-0 San Jose needs to be 13-4-2.

Calgary's in the driver seat.

Basically did the same thing. Looked at 110 points as the final goal, 12-7-1 would get the Flames to that mark which is more than doable with our schedule. For San Jose to do the same, they would need to go 14-5-0. Flames definitely have the leg up, but they can’t take their foot off the pedal too much.

ROW would be close, so regulation/OT wins could make a difference.


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[browna]

My guess in the Zucker deal is that someone didn't want to waive, and it was a last minute waive.
Very interesting to see how that wouldve shaken things up. Straight across, line wise, for Frolik or for (less likely) Neal.
And if someone did have to waive from the Flames, how does that leave a taste now that you were wanted shipped out?

Though if it was Frolik, no better way to shut up an agent by handing his client a golden ticket out, and then not taking it, given the comments a few months back. In that case, Treliving playing chicken with a client and an agent and winning.

[Classic_Sniper]

If Neal was on the table for Zucker, I would’ve had no problem sweetening the deal with our 1st (currently 30th). Zucker has always impressed me every time I’ve watched him play.


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[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I just had a horrifying flashback to 08/09 when we blew that lead to the Canucks. People would constantly post those exact type of record scenarios. And the worst one came true. What was it? 12 points up at the all star break or something ridiculous like that?



Never again.

The injury situation that year became surreal and the team limped into the playoffs.

[Vinny01]

This team had a complete overhaul this summer. The team turned over half the blueline with 2 rookies from within and a major trade acquisition. They added a first line forward and 3 bottom 6 forwards. This team came together in China back in September and as we approach March they are in the midst of their best season in 30 years.

The Flames had assets to acquire Stone, Hayes or Duchene but they would have gutted their system that is already on the shallow side. With 4 blue liners 22 and younger the future is very bright on the Flames blueline. Up front the Flamea have 2 important players to sign this summer in Sam Bennett and Matthew Tkachuk. While Bennett is due a decent raise, Tlachuk is going to most certainly become the teams highest paid player. Those 2 important RFA’s are joined by David Rittich who is on his way to earning a nice pay day. The team still likely looks to shed the contracts of Micheal Stone, Michael Frolik and possibly TJ Brodie this summer which would open up a lot of flexibility for the team.

Had the Flames spent significant assets today the joy of improving the team may only be short lived. Signing Stone would have required making James Neal’s contract magically disappear and would have made the Flames vuncerable to losing Bennett and Rittich to modest offer sheets that offer a 2nd rounder as compensation. Removing Valimaki would make it even harder to part with someone like Brodie who right now looks like a logical cap savings/futures move the Flames can do this summer.

Ultimately I am very curious to know what this Zucker deal would have looked like

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Treliving basically said that all the players they were interested in were asking for Andersson/Valimaki/1sts which he wasn't willing to give up

Do you think this kind of thinking is why the Leafs weren't in on Montour? Seems odd they wouldn't have been in the mix.

If Kapanen wasn't in the deal Murray wasn't interested?

Tre calls and Andersson and Valimaki are the only players of interest, it makes for short conversations.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If the Flames go 10-10-0 the rest of the way the Sharks need to go 11-6-2 to have more points.

If Calgary goes 12-8-0 San Jose needs to be 13-4-2.

Calgary's in the driver seat.

I've been conditioned all these years to totally believe both of these are entirely possible scenarios so let's not count our chickens. Not that I'm saying you're doing that I just... you know... feel like an abused child, that's all.

BUT this year is different, at least that's what I keep telling myself.

[Kybb79]

Read on HF Frolik didn't want to waive. Deal was done.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Good for Fro. Consummate pro. I remember when people valued the Swiss Army knife.

His teammates obviously like him. He is going to be a valuable player in the post season.

[Dion]

Don Maloney: 'Significant' move fell through for Flames

Calgary Flames vice president of hockey operations Don Maloney revealed Monday that the team was working on a "significant" move Sunday night that fell through.

Maloney stressed that the Flames aren’t willing to give up top prospects for a rental ahead of the deadline.

"The thing with us (is) we like our group, as you've probably heard that a number of times, we're not a team that's fighting and scratching and clawing to get in the playoffs like some teams,” Maloney told TSN. “We're just sitting, waiting, looking at the market. We were involved in something significant last night that went away from us, but it really comes down, as we all know, [to] how much you're willing to pay to help yourself short term.

"We're just vehemently opposed to putting in what we would consider ‘A’ prospects, first-round picks, for rentals. So, if that's the case, you go into this marketplace and then you search and talk and try and find something that's going to help at a price you can afford."

"The way it works, Brad [Treliving] gets on the phone. He goes in a suite, [then] he comes out and into the war room. We hack it around. We decide how much we're willing to go, how far we're going to go, can we help this group? We're having a terrific year in Calgary. We're looking at the rest of the season, the last six weeks, how we finish and who our matchups are. Our game is speed and compete – we can score, our goaltending has been solid.

"If we can help our self, of course we're going to help ourselves. But not at the price that's going that's going to affect us long term."

https://www.tsn.ca/maloney-significa...ames-1.1263480

[N-E-B]

I was pretty disappointed at the lack of trades, but I think that’s just because of the excitement of the trade deadline. Add in the fact that Calgary was mentioned as a potential partner in just about every significant deal and you have a recipe for disappointment.

While a part of me did really want Stone (and it REALLY annoys me Vegas got him, screw that franchise), I am very happy to have four legit NHL defenseman at 22 or younger. How many teams can say that?

I still think we need a bit more depth up front but I think that will come in the form of a “hockey trade” with TJ Brodie being the main piece. I know he’s a bit of a whipping boy on here but he’s still a legitimate top-4 defenseman in this league. We could probably grab a really nice forward for him while opening a spot for a younger d-man at the same time. And who knows, I’m still not ready to write off Neal yet so maybe he could return to form? Whatever happens this team has a really bright future. Not sure this is their year, it could be, but I think this is just the beginning. I’m pumped to see what these guys can do in the playoffs!

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Read on HF Frolik didn't want to waive. Deal was done.

Interesting that he had Minny on his 10 team no trade list. Not sure I believe this. Did the radio guys talk about this, this morning?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Read on HF Frolik didn't want to waive. Deal was done.

Pretty sure that is pure speculation. Pretty sure SuperMatt on here tweeter Boomer who implied it was a bigger deal than that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Interesting that he had Minny on his 10 team no trade list. Not sure I believe this. Did the radio guys talk about this, this morning?

If he wants to stay, his list wouldn't necessarily be conventional. He'd figure he was safe leaving off any team that wouldn't want him and any team that Calgary wouldn't deal with. He's not a rental so the top teams who are close to the cap probably don't go for him. He'd list teams that would be bubble PO teams and you can almost always guarantee that includes Minnie.

[RedHawk12]

If reports about Frolik not wanting to waive are true, I don't really mind it. He's been a great pro for us and deserves to go on a long playoff run with this group.

He's looked a lot better recently and hopefully that continues into the playoffs.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

If reports about Frolik not wanting to waive are true, I don't really mind it. He's been a great pro for us and deserves to go on a long playoff run with this group.

He's looked a lot better recently and hopefully that continues into the playoffs.

We gave him the NTC - he can use it if he wants. Although having your agent complain about things and then decline a trade isnt' the best look.

(assuming this is true)

[bigrangy]

I don't believe that it would be Frolik+1st for Zucker.

Frolik is having a much more effective season, is cheaper, and fits here.

Why risk a 1st to "upgrade" Frolik into a guy who's been producing at the rate Zucker has this year with the contract that he does.

More likely it was Neal+something for Zucker I think, which would have been welcomed by me. Can't see why BT wouldn't do that, but if it was the case I would think it would be due to Neal's playoff experience which he was obviously targeting in the Fantenberg deal.