[Rumour] UPD: Flames are done for the day. Zucker deal does not go through

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Have to also remember tax implications of resigning Stone. 960 covered this briefly.
9.5M in Vegas (no state tax) could have meant 11M for the same net in Calgary

Remember when mock lineups with salaries were being made here with Stone getting 8 or 8.5 million so he could fit in the structure and people getting mad when it was pointed out there was no way that was going to happen?

I remember.

[transplant99]

nm....explained

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Remember when mock lineups with salaries were being made here with Stone getting 8 or 8.5 million so he could fit in the structure and people getting mad when it was pointed out there was no way that was going to happen?

I remember.

Last I checked.. he signed for 9.5 million which is pretty close to what people projected. It doesn't matter what the tax implications are. Unless you think every Flames player would get paid around 20% less in Vegas if they signed today?

Do you want a gold star? Is this really the kind of thing that you feel you should brag about?

[Duffalufagus]

Do we know yet whether Frolik axed this trade?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Remember when mock lineups with salaries were being made here with Stone getting 8 or 8.5 million so he could fit in the structure and people getting mad when it was pointed out there was no way that was going to happen?

I remember.

I for sure thought Tre could get it below that. But that assumed he was negotiating in the ordinary UFA market. When you sign a guy at the deadline, give up good assets in so doing, and make it clear you want to re-sign him, you kind of tie your hands in negotiating.

The happiest guys in the NHL right now are Stone and Tkachuk. William Karlsson probably has mixed emotions.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by memphusk

You just get the feeling he doesn't want to play anywhere in Canada.

He also doesn’t like playing in his own end either


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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

Ecstatic we largely stayed pat.

But why stay pat when you could stand put?

[edslunch]

I’m not unhappy that nothing major went down for the Flames but realistically the 4 main competitors in the west all got better without hurting their rosters, and some of them weren’t far behind to start with. So by all means let’s applaud a steady hand at the tiller but don’t pretend there’s no risk attached.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

How about $100 bet that Tampa nor Boston will win the cup. Such a ####ty mentality you have.. why even watch sports or the rest of the season?

I generally think the guy with the poopy mentality is the guy that is calling someone else's mentality poopy

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I generally think the guy with the poopy mentality is the guy that is calling someone else's mentality poopy

It would be nice if you followed through and actually read the remaining posts where I stated that I was too harsh and apologized

[Manhattanboy]

As I mentioned in the other thread, nice tweet from Tre about havin a cold beer, and all the sentiment about standing pat, but there still is the large bold headline on TSN's front page about a big deal (presumably re Stone) that fell through last night. So like the Scorpion, even management changes their tune quickly.

Would be nice to know the parameters and why it fell apart.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

As I mentioned in the other thread, nice tweet from Tre about havin a cold beer, and all the sentiment about standing pat, but there still is the large bold headline on TSN's front page about a big deal (presumably re Stone) that fell through last night. So like the Scorpion, even management changes their tune quickly.

Would be nice to know the parameters and why it fell apart.

Neither Ceci or Boedker were moved.. so I would guess they were involved too.

Stone
Ceci
Boedker

For

1st 2019
Valimaki
Frolik

A deal around that maybe?

[RedHawk12]

To be honest, I hope we don't revisit this trade at the draft. I'd rather use the 1st round pick than trade it for Zucker. He would have been nice for this playoff run but 5.5M for the next 4 years is just a little too long. Getting him gives us little flexibility cap-wise and we would almost certainly have to trade someone else, and so not really improving much in the long run.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

It would be nice if you followed through and actually read the remaining posts where I stated that I was too harsh and apologized

You're right I have a ####ty mentality.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

As I mentioned in the other thread, nice tweet from Tre about havin a cold beer, and all the sentiment about standing pat, but there still is the large bold headline on TSN's front page about a big deal (presumably re Stone) that fell through last night. So like the Scorpion, even management changes their tune quickly.

Would be nice to know the parameters and why it fell apart.

His quote talks more about having Valimaki in the organization than standing pat.

Any big deal that went down wasn't necessarily a changing tune it was a refusal to include Valimaki in any package.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

As I mentioned in the other thread, nice tweet from Tre about havin a cold beer, and all the sentiment about standing pat, but there still is the large bold headline on TSN's front page about a big deal (presumably re Stone) that fell through last night. So like the Scorpion, even management changes their tune quickly.

Would be nice to know the parameters and why it fell apart.

Seemed like they were in on a ton of deals, but the cold beer comment probably refers to the fact that they didn't compromise their principles and get caught up in the day.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You're right I have a ####ty mentality.

Hahaha!

CDC paste-eating troll with a ####ty mentality.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Neither Ceci or Boedker were moved.. so I would guess they were involved too.

Stone
Ceci
Boedker

For

1st 2019
Valimaki
Frolik

A deal around that maybe?

This would make it basically impossible to re-sign Stone, so I don't' think so.

[Bingo]

I've always been hesitant to move big future pieces this year. Why?

1) Window is just opening, not closing
2) Goaltending isn't secure enough to bolster other areas
3) I think windows get extended with entry level players and they come from 1sts and 2nds
4) I think keeping the young D gives them the chance to add more futures in the summer for veteran D. That dissipates if you move one now.
5) Teams tend to need some heartbreak in a playoff run before they're ready so this could be year -1

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Last I checked.. he signed for 9.5 million which is pretty close to what people projected. It doesn't matter what the tax implications are. Unless you think every Flames player would get paid around 20% less in Vegas if they signed today?

Do you want a gold star? Is this really the kind of thing that you feel you should brag about?

Jeezuz you are one sensitive dude.

9.5 is not 8...no. Not even close..and particularly over 8 years when several i saw here were for 6 or 7 years.

But more to the point...when someone presents you with reality in a fantasy scenario, you are probably best to heed it at least a bit and then when that is exactly what plays out, not then attack them for being correct.

And you are damn straight the tax implication comes into play because Stone and his reps are quite aware what tax rates exist in what jurisdictions, and sign for appropriate rates accordingly if money is a motivator. All the great players who are facing free agency do that, why wouldn't they? It's a big part of their agents job.

This is a hockey forum, if you put out opinions or ideas, you best expect to be challenged on them and especially when you were proven wrong.

I was merely pointing out how misguided you and others were when getting caught up in the overhype around the possible acquisition of Mark freaking Stone and the actual cost of acquiring and keeping him.