[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That would be incorrect, unless you're docking Kylington for minutes the organization hasn't allowed him to play.

7 points in 402:43 minutes vs 9 points in 788:25 minutes 5v5 - the first is Oliver Kylington and the second is Rasmus Andersson.

Juuso Valimaki is even less productive than these two with 2 points in 298:43 minutes.

But "He's been better" is all you hear even though it's not rooted in anything actual. If that's not size bias I'm not sure what is.

This goes back to last year where Andersson was on PP1 in Stockton and Kylington was not - even though Kylington outproduced Andersson 5v5.

The reason why what Valimaki did is more impressive to some people is because he’s both younger than Kylington and Andersson and had yet to play a single pro game. He showed an extremely mature and high upside game for being a rookie pro. I think this is the major factor in why your valuation of him is diff from others. Also I could see Valimaki playing #1 PK in his career. He’s the guy most likely to achieve top pairing or #1 status as he can play in all situations. Big minutes, PK, PP.

This isn’t to slam Rasmus or Kylington. I think all 3 have huge upside and should all be kept. I think all 3 have top 4 potential and all 3 have an outside shot of top pairing potential. I just think Valimaki is the most well rounded of the bunch, the most likely and the safest bet to achieve top pairing status. Is his slight size advantage playing into my thinking? Only minorly. I think his offence is underrated because he hasn’t been used yet in that role. I think he’s as offensive as Andersson and Kylington in the long term.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Time to Nope the Feck out. Hey Wayne Simmonds, come on down yo.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Captaincanada80

When Valimaki is healthy do you play him over Kylington? I do. Bumps Kylington to 7th man and not playing anyway. He's not surpassing Gio or Hanifin anytime soon. I say use the asset as currency and get Stone.

3rd (Conditional to increase on Calgary Winning in playoffs, becomes first with 2 rounds won)
2nd (Conditional on Stone re-signing becomes first)
Kylington
Dube
Frolik (Cap & gives Ott a warm body under contract next season getting them to the floor)

Kylington has played the right side well in the past from what I've heard. I think him and Valimaki would be the pairing next year if the Brodie Kreider rumors were true and they are ready to move him.

Even though he'll be vulnerable in expansion I feel like Kylington will be worth a huge haul if he plays a whole year next and they will get the stone picks back. Teams draft dmen in the 10-15th pick range that fare worse then him in The AHL and never make the show let alone show his offensive skill in this era where that is huge.

I think I they should keep him and sacrifice picks instead if they can.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Time to Nope the Feck out. Hey Wayne Simmonds, come on down yo.

You spelled Kevin Hayes wrong.

[CSharp]

Given how Andersson and Kylington are playing - no way! Valimaki + a first, maybe. I'm still want Tre to get a couple of cheap big guys that's serviceable for 3rd and 4th lines!

[FanIn80]

Gaudreau Monahan Stone
Tkachuk Lindholm Bennett
Jankowski Backlund Frolik
Mangiapane Ryan Hathaway

Giordano Brodie
Hanifin Hamonic
Valimaki Andersson

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Matty81

The value of young established NHL dmen with Kylingtons upside is through the roof. He'd be worth a late first + this summer if they decide to move him.

Not saying I am against including him but when u look at the bar set by the Duchene trade kylington is worth one of those firsts not on par with a B grade prospect miles from the NHL who might never play an NHL game.

If he's in the deal he should be the centrepiece.

Kylington is also 4th on depth chart for LD, if he doesn't go now I think he's gone at the draft.

[iamca]

Is it a fake tweet from Bob McKenzie?

Hearing 2019 1st, Frolik, Oliver Klyington, and a conditional 2020 2nd round pick for Stone.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

I didn't look too hard but here is what Jets fans are thinking:

Jets trade = 2019 1st, Roslovic, 2020 2nd: conditional (2020 1st if Jet's win the Stanley Cup finals or Mark Stone signs with the Jets.), N. Petan (What the heck...we don't need him)

Sens trade = M. Stone

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by iamca

Is it a fake tweet from Bob McKenzie?

Hearing 2019 1st, Frolik, Oliver Klyington, and a conditional 2020 2nd round pick for Stone.

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Fake

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by iamca

Is it a fake tweet from Bob McKenzie?

Hearing 2019 1st, Frolik, Oliver Klyington, and a conditional 2020 2nd round pick for Stone.

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Nothing on his timeline about it:

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by iamca

Is it a fake tweet from Bob McKenzie?

Hearing 2019 1st, Frolik, Oliver Klyington, and a conditional 2020 2nd round pick for Stone.

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If it’s not from @TSNBobMckenzie it’s a fake account.

[Willi Plett]

Originally Posted by iamca

Is it a fake tweet from Bob McKenzie?

Hearing 2019 1st, Frolik, Oliver Klyington, and a conditional 2020 2nd round pick for Stone.

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Do it and sign him.

[Beninho]

Really not difficult to locate the blue check mark guys


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[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Given how Andersson and Kylington are playing - no way! Valimaki + a first, maybe. I'm still want Tre to get a couple of cheap big guys that's serviceable for 3rd and 4th lines!

Valimaki>>>>>>>>>Kylington.


Like not close imo

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

You spelled Kevin Hayes wrong.

Fair enough. How bout dis:

[Young Guns]

Was Stone ever actually given permission to talk with Calgary? Could they sit down and meet face to face since there in Ottawa. (Assuming the agent was present)

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Valimaki>>>>>>>>>Kylington.


Like not close imo

I think you're undervaluing Kylington. They're both excellent.

[keenan87]

Let's say the Flames trade Kylington now and then Brodie in the off-season to re-coup some picks. The Flames will still have.

1. Mark Giordano
2. Noah Hanifin
3. Travis Hamonic
4. Rasmus Andersson
5. Juusu Valimaki

That is still one of the better defensive groups in the league and all it needs is 2 solid veteran guys signed for cheap to play #6 and #7.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Kylington is also 4th on depth chart for LD, if he doesn't go now I think he's gone at the draft.

Yeah he probably will be but they could also trade him next summer... Lots of time. If they move Brodie this summer and he gets a whole season under his belt and puts up 20-30 pts he'll bring back a 1st +.

Or the flames could protect their d core by sending other assets to Seattle.

I'm fine with him being dealt sooner but he's not a throw in on top of two 1sts like the average prospects the BJs dealt. He's a guy who has proven he can play an NHL shift on a winning team and produce offense from the blue line with limited minutes. Really valuable asset. If he goes for me that should be the big give by the flames.