[Rumour] McKenzie: dealbreaker for Flames is that Sens want Valimaki in Stone package

[corporatejay]

Granteedev is Bennett your brother?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Granteedev is Bennett your brother?

Bennett, Brodie, and Kylington.


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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

None at 32 either!

He had 86 regular season points at 32, Sam Bennett will have more than that when he is 32.

[Jeff Lebowski]

What are rumoured Jets and Preds offerings for Stone?

[CliffFletcher]

Isn't there a thread for Bennett already?

Originally Posted by GullFoss

There is a log-jam on the left side of Calgary's defense. I have to think someone from there has to go. If not in the trade, then in the off-season to recoup picks.

Here's the LD depth chart:

Giordano
Hanifin
Valimaki
Kylington

Flames brass loves Valimaki and he has the makings of a top-pairing guy. Gio and Hanifin aren't going anywhere. Pretty clear Kylington is the odd man out. I'd deal him before I'd move Dube, who is the only legitimate (likely to play in the NHL higher than the fourth line) forward prospect the Flames have.

I'm guessing the meat of any deal for Stone would be Kylington + 2019 1st. The haggling would be over the other assets - a conditional 1st and/or another prospect. Not sure why Ottawa would do Flames a favour by taking Frolik, or why Frolik wouldn't put Ottawa on his 10-team no trade list.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

What are rumoured Jets and Preds offerings for Stone?

The only rumour is the ask: four pieces that includes a roster player plus “A” prospect. All the names bandied about here are being supplied by fans who are guessing how those demands might be filled.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Isn't there a thread for Bennett already?



Here's the LD depth chart:

Giordano
Hanifin
Valimaki
Kylington

Flames brass loves Valimaki and he has the makings of a top-pairing guy. Gio and Hanifin aren't going anywhere. Pretty clear Kylington is the odd man out. I'd deal him before I'd move Dube, who is the only legitimate (likely to play in the NHL higher than the fourth line) forward prospect the Flames have.

I'm guessing the meat of any deal for Stone would be Kylington + 2019 1st. The haggling would be over the other assets - a conditional 1st and/or another prospect. Not sure why Ottawa would do Flames a favour by taking Frolik, or why Frolik wouldn't put Ottawa on his 10-team no trade list.

A couple possibilities..

They are going to be a YOUNG team next year so they would want a vet guy to come in of some sort and they still have to hit the salary floor...plus someone has to play there.

But I agree Ottawa is likely one of the top 2 names on his list.

[DeluxeMoustache]

“Hey, Fro, you negotiated a modified NTC and find yourself on the top team in the West, playoff bound, on a very deep team. What would you think about waiving that to go to the worst team in the league? They are blowing it up, getting rid of a lot of their good players. They are looking for veteran leadership. And it’s not like you earn money for all that extra work in the playoffs. Enticing, right? What do you say? You may not get a chance like this again until the summer”

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Said it in the Dzingel thread. Do not want.


We are 2nd in the league in scoring we don’t need a huge shake up like this to bolster our roster. We need team toughness. Not even a goon just someone who can go out and play a heavy game to get under the other teams skin and can slot in the top 2 lines. We need a Maroon or a Simmonds. Not selling our future for a soft high scoring winger.

Now Stone, at 6’4”, is soft. Good lord there are some head scratchers in here. Can’t trade Bennett in a Stone trade!?! You guys know who Mark Stone is and who Sam Bennett is, right!?!

Stone would be in the conversation of being our best player on the team, immediately. Him and Gaudreau are neck in neck in how they impact the game. If you can get Mark Stone you go get Mark Stone.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So would I. Well unsure about Kylington vs Andersson.
But Dube and a roster player for stone? If I'm Ottawa, that roster player has to be Bennett, plus pick.

And i'm not very interested in that.

I would run away laughing with Stone if that got him, assuming he’s signed. Incredibly lop sided in our favour.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by New Era

No, Bennett does NOT have offensive upside. Jesus Christ, do people not watch this guy play the game? He doesn’t think the game well, can’t make a pass, doesn’t have a shot, and routinely tries to beat the whole opposition team by himself. He does not have offensive upside.

Sam Bennett is no Mark Stone. Even half of Mark Stone. If you can get a Mark Stone for Sam Bennett, you make that move every day. Mark Stone is a star player, Sam Bennett is a support player. Period.

This is so painfully obvious that I am flabbergasted that the point even needs to be made.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

I would run away laughing with Stone if that got him, assuming he’s signed. Incredibly lop sided in our favour.

So who else do you dump in the summer to pay the 10M? Brodie, Hamonic and Frolik?
Or is that just for a rental?

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is fine but not as a rental. Personally I try a bunch of other adds than Sam Bennett.

I agree and I’m sure Treliving is but hypothetically, which is what this whole thread is, if Bennett is the lynchpin that gets the deal done then you don’t think twice. It’s a no brainer. Stone so under appreciated here man.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

So who else do you dump in the summer to pay the 10M? Brodie, Hamonic and Frolik?
Or is that just for a rental?

Almost every indication we have is that the Flames would only make a deal if we can get a signed Stone so I don’t know why you keep bringing up the rental deal.

Stone isn’t getting 10 on a 8 year deal, and if he was then I doubt there’d be this much interest from the Flames. It’ll probably settle somewhere around 9 over 8. Regardless, ya, good with moving Brodie and Frolik for sure. And we’re going to have to do more this offseason, and I’m sure Treliving has that all in mind and a general idea in his head. These moves aren’t in a bubble. We give up prospects and futures now but will surely gain many back after the season with trades.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If you sign Stone, presumably you trade Brodie. If he's already cost Kylington or Andersson, you then have to deal with expansion.

Protection list: Gaudreau, Stone, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Backlund, Bennett, Valimaki, Hanifin, Hamonic (or Andersson/Kylington), Rittich?

Still lose Kylington or

Well I’m guessing we are getting damn good assets back by trading Brodie so actually you don’t know if it’d be that depleted. And I would assume we will be trading another one of our players for assets that can be protected in expansion before we get to that point. That’s way too far down the road with too many variables to worry about right now.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

“Hey, Fro, you negotiated a modified NTC and find yourself on the top team in the West, playoff bound, on a very deep team. What would you think about waiving that to go to the worst team in the league? They are blowing it up, getting rid of a lot of their good players. They are looking for veteran leadership. And it’s not like you earn money for all that extra work in the playoffs. Enticing, right? What do you say? You may not get a chance like this again until the summer”

How does the modified NTC work? Like when does he have to pick the teams? At the beginning of the contract? Because my guess then would be that Ottawa wouldn’t have been on it. Regardless I think Frolik makes more sense going to a playoff team in return for a pick or something that could be going to Ottawa. Or just waiting until the offseason and dealing him then.

[getoverit]

Ottawa could turn trade him immediately around for pics or prospects

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

How does the modified NTC work? Like when does he have to pick the teams? At the beginning of the contract? Because my guess then would be that Ottawa wouldn’t have been on it. Regardless I think Frolik makes more sense going to a playoff team in return for a pick or something that could be going to Ottawa. Or just waiting until the offseason and dealing him then.

[rage2]

If we land Mark Stone and Michael Stone comes off IR, will they have their full names on their jerseys?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by rage2

If we land Mark Stone and Michael Stone comes off IR, will they have their full names on their jerseys?

No, just their first names.

[Buff]

I just realized something. Kulak used to wear #61 in Calgary. Mark Stone wears #61 in Ottawa... They traded Kulak so Mark Stone can keep his number when the Flames eventually acquire him. It's happening guys! It's totally happening!