2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would think that Stone didn't turn down 5 x $10.5M because he thinks he can get more (he can't), he turned it down because he didn't want to stay in Ottawa.

Or perhaps it was because it was only 5 years?

[bax]

Originally Posted by Red

Neal has been a great player until he arrived here. We all thought we a were getting a 30G guy. Something Stone has yet to achieve. Although I realize he will this year.

And I'm not talking about Bax disagreeing with my opinion. Nothing wrong with that. I'm talking about how he went about it. Many ways to say I disagree without being a d*ck.

I apologize for offending you- I didn't mean to come across as a d*ck. My tone probably should have been conveyed better.

Back to the discussion though I don't think anyone was expecting Neal to get 30 here. He had 23 and 25 in his previous 2 seasons. Was still expecting more than he has given though.

Stone isn't a goal scorer either so I don't think that's a fair comparison. He is a play driving 2 way forward.

Neal's last two seasons before coming here he had a PPG of 0.6 in 141 games.

Stone's last two seasons (if he ends up getting traded) would be a PPG of 1.05 in 117 games.

Neal is complimentary piece, Stone is a core piece. Just not very comparable players.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

James Neal hasn't scored 30-goals in three years, and he has only done it once since 2012. If you thought he was going to be a 30-goal-scorer here in Calgary, then I don't know what to tell you.

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I don't see any reason not to expect three +30-goal-scorers on the roster this year, and I still think Monahan scores 40. The addition of James Neal makes that all the more likely.




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[Split98]

While I think Stone is undervalued by some, $10.5M would be a huge mistake

I think he finds teams around the $9M mark, but it also wouldn't be strange to see him sign in the $7-$8M range with whatever team acquires him. If there's a fit and he feels he can find success with the team I could see him being a good value for someone - and the long dance of 'will he sign with Ottawa' is a sign of that. I think him and his camp have really considered staying in Ottawa (and very well still could), and that says a lot of where his motivations were. Turning down $10.5M is turning down money to win.

At the same time, the Senator's position can flip to something much weaker as Monday nears. The only thing that could make the Senators bad situation even worse is swinging for the fences this weekend and missing. If Colorado drafting with your 1st isn't bad enough, letting 3 UFAs walk with nothing to show for it would undoubtedly be the end for Dorion. But, they're a bunch of must-sell pieces in a sellers market and everyone knows how desperate they are to sell. If a few teams turn their attention elsewhere (and there are a lot of options) Dorion's bargaining power dwindles away quickly.

[Jeff Lebowski]

lol

[Red]

Originally Posted by bax

I apologize for offending you- I didn't mean to come across as a d*ck. My tone probably should have been conveyed better.

Back to the discussion though I don't think anyone was expecting Neal to get 30 here. He had 23 and 25 in his previous 2 seasons. Was still expecting more than he has given though.

Stone isn't a goal scorer either so I don't think that's a fair comparison. He is a play driving 2 way forward.

Neal's last two seasons before coming here he had a PPG of 0.6 in 141 games.

Stone's last two seasons (if he ends up getting traded) would be a PPG of 1.05 in 117 games.

Neal is complimentary piece, Stone is a core piece. Just not very comparable players.

Stone is better. I agree and younger. But the difference is huge between 5.7 UFA vs 10+ trade for top assets.

Just not worth it Imo.

And some here thought Neal was a 30G guy. See above. And there were many more.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

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I don't see any reason not to expect three +30-goal-scorers on the roster this year, and I still think Monahan scores 40. The addition of James Neal makes that all the more likely.




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I am pretty sure my pre-season prediction was for Tkachuk, Monahan and Gaudreau to be those three +30-goal-scorers.

[Bunk]

Kreider would be a nice pick up as well - he overlapped by one year with Johnny at BC too! Johnny as a Freshman had 44pts - Kreider as a Junior had 45pts!

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am pretty sure my pre-season prediction was for Tkachuk, Monahan and Gaudreau to be those three +30-goal-scorers.

Dude, come on.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Red

Stone is better. I agree and younger. But the difference is huge between 5.7 UFA vs 10+ trade for top assets.

Just not worth it Imo.

And some here thought Neal was a 30G guy. See above. And there were many more.

That's fair. I'm just in the camp that believes the Flames need another elite player to win it all. If the Flames stood pat I think they would be very competitive for a long time, but Stone could put them over the top.

10.5 is a lot, but I don't think Treliving acquires him without feeling like he can get him signed to a more reasonable number.

[Red]

If they go after elite then I'd rather see a goalie.
No offense to Smith and Rittich. But with elite goaltending we are on par with Tampa.

[sureLoss]

So with the duchene trade, there is a template for the Stone trade.

2 prospects, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he re-signs.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Red

If they go after elite then I'd rather see a goalie.
No offense to Smith and Rittich. But with elite goaltending we are on par with Tampa.

Who though? There are no elite goalies available unless you really believe in Bobrovsky (I don't).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bax

Who though? There are no elite goalies available unless you really believe in Bobrovsky (I don't).

And with the Duchene trade it does not really appear that Bobrovsky will be available anyways.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Red

If they go after elite then I'd rather see a goalie.
No offense to Smith and Rittich. But with elite goaltending we are on par with Tampa.

We don't have a 100pt scorer, for starters - but I don't think the Flames will be successful matching TB 1 v 1. The Flames beat them with shot suppression, not trying to out snipe and save them.

Stone would be a gigantic help in suppressing TB, if that's the matchup you're building for.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So with the duchene trade, there is a template for the Stone trade.

2 prospects, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he re-signs.

BT better stay far away if this is what we’d have to give up for Stone

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So with the duchene trade, there is a template for the Stone trade.

2 prospects, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he re-signs.

One of Mangipane/Anderson/Kylington, Dube, 1st?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So with the duchene trade, there is a template for the Stone trade.

2 prospects, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he re-signs.

Fair assessment. I'm of the opinion that Stone is more valuable than Duchene, so I can see Ottawa wanting 2 unconditional 1sts. Whether someone pays that or not, though...

[Red]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So with the duchene trade, there is a template for the Stone trade.

2 prospects, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he re-signs.

2 firsts will likely be in the 25 or lower range. Not too crazy.
A Foo or Mangipane would be ok to loose.

Steep but wouldn't hurt the team in the short term.

But I hope they wouldn't sign him for 10+.

[browna]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So with the duchene trade, there is a template for the Stone trade.

2 prospects, a 1st, and a conditional 1st if he re-signs.

I think Stone ask will also include a full time-ish legit (ie not a contract dump or pending UFA) roster player too, though maybe in place of one of the two prospects.