2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by bax

124 points in his last 117 games (while being on the terrible senators). It's not fair to call the guy a 64 point player.

OK, that's fair. He's above ppg recently. Would you want the Flames to sign him at $10.5m knowing they also have to sign Tkachuk? That eats a huge amount of cap - I'm not even sure it's doable without some drastic moves elsewhere in the lineup.

[Enoch Root]

I would think that Stone didn't turn down 5 x $10.5M because he thinks he can get more (he can't), he turned it down because he didn't want to stay in Ottawa.

I also think the 4 asset talk is a pipe dream on Ottawa's part. You can't give up 4 assets and then sign a guy for $10M+ front-loaded. It's too much of a strain on assets in a cap world. One of the reasons players get more cash as a UFA is the team is acquiring them without giving up assets.

The 4 assets + $10.5M equation doesn't work.

I also think Ottawa is shooting themselves in the foot here. By putting 3 guys on the market, they have turned it into a buyers market. And because they have two of the 3 biggest fish, everything will be on hold until they deal.

Prices will come down, and they are going to get disappointing returns. And Stone will sign for less than $10M.

[getoverit]

would one give up a Tkatchuk and a 1st for a signed Stone and Dzingle?
just a Q?

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

IMO if Tre trades for Stone it will be because he is supremely confident he will not only be able to extend him, but extend him for much less than the rumored $10.5 AAV ask.

I also believe they wouldn't lose much, if anything, from the current NHL roster up to and including our young Dmen who have been playing every game for months now. Tre isn't looking to shake up the roster, he's looking to add to it. It'll mostly be picks and prospects.

You can also be sure that he would have a plan in place to clear salary in the off season while simultaneously recouping draft picks. Players like Brodie, Frolik and Neal if he bounces back with a strong playoff.

One more thing, IMO Tkachuk is not getting an AAV over $8 million. At least not from the Flames. We've all seen Tre negotiate right?

[GioforPM]

I'd like to know who people think Stone's comparables are for contract purposes. Not Tavares, for sure.

Odd combo - great two way guy, but a winger, so subtract for that.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Last time that happened it was Vanek that stalled the market and in the last minute, we were offered a 3rd for Cammy. If this goes to the last minute again, I suspect the 2nd tier players will be traded for low value as there wont be time for bidding wars.

No it was Ryan Kesler that held up the market that year

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by getoverit

would one give up a Tkatchuk and a 1st for a signed Stone and Dzingle?
just a Q?

Depends on terms of the contracts. Basically Stone would have to be around or under 8 on a long term deal and Dzingel around 4. So no, wouldn’t be realistic.

[1_Flames_Fan]

There is no way the Flames pay Stone 10.5 per on any length of contract. I love the guy but he isn't worth that kind of cap hit in my opinion. 8-8.5 max and some contracts would need to be moved for that to happen.

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[bax]

Originally Posted by Bunk

OK, that's fair. He's above ppg recently. Would you want the Flames to sign him at $10.5m knowing they also have to sign Tkachuk? That eats a huge amount of cap - I'm not even sure it's doable without some drastic moves elsewhere in the lineup.

For sure, 10.5 is a lot.

I think Treliving only acquires him if he believes strongly he can get him signed for a smaller number.

[868904]

Mark Stone would be too big a shock to the prospect pool and to the salary structure of the team. You’d have to move out too many pieces to fit him in long term.

I wonder if Tre is actually targeting Kreider, he checks all the boxes: size, grit and skill. Plus advantages over Stone are speed and an extra year of control and a reasonable cap hit.

Kreider is the better fit for the Flames.

Also could be why the Flames are playing Tkachuck in the RW a bit lately to see how truly effective he is as Kreider is a left winger.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'd like to know who people think Stone's comparables are for contract purposes. Not Tavares, for sure.

Odd combo - great two way guy, but a winger, so subtract for that.

Nikita Kucherov AT THE TIME of signing was a comparable, and almost everyone agreed that his deal was an under pay. Like I said before, my guess is he ends up around 9 if he can get 8 years, 9.5 on 7

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by getoverit

would one give up a Tkatchuk and a 1st for a signed Stone and Dzingle?
just a Q?

No. Tkachuk is only 21-years-old, and he is arguably on a trajectory to be a better player than Mark Stone—to say nothing for Dzingle. Both of these guys are pending UFAs, and while Tkachuk's next deal will be expensive, it will still be cost controlled and almost certain to be of higher value moving forward.

I think Tkachuk is practically untouchable.

[Red]

Originally Posted by bax

If you're going to say Neal and Stone are comparable players then you really don't know what you're talking about.

Stone impacts the game at a Gaudreau type level. He is an elite, 26 year old, two way forward.

Neal is a slow, 31 year old, one dimensional shooter.

You can argue the merit of trading for Stone and if it's worth it barring the cost all day long, but statements like yours weaken your argument.

Ugh. So much for a level headed conversation.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Red

Ugh. So much for a level headed conversation.

Ugh is right. There is no conversation to be had when using James Neal as a comparable for Mark Stone.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Red

Ugh. So much for a level headed conversation.

Well...uhhh.... he’s right

[bzoo02]

So if Flames did land Stone, you would assume he would play on the top line.

This would push Lindholm down with Backlund and Tkachuk.

The 3M line now becomes the BLT line

Tasty.

[Red]

Neal has been a great player until he arrived here. We all thought we a were getting a 30G guy. Something Stone has yet to achieve. Although I realize he will this year.

And I'm not talking about Bax disagreeing with my opinion. Nothing wrong with that. I'm talking about how he went about it. Many ways to say I disagree without being a d*ck.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

So if Flames did land Stone, you would assume he would play on the top line.

This would push Lindholm down with Backlund and Tkachuk.

The 3M line now becomes the BLT line

Tasty.

Yup..and Gaudreau Monahan and Stone become MSG...more tasty!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by getoverit

would one give up a Tkatchuk and a 1st for a signed Stone and Dzingle?
just a Q?

No one would

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

Neal has been a great player until he arrived here. We all thought we a were getting a 30G guy. Something Stone has yet to achieve. Although I realize he will this year.

And I'm not talking about Bax disagreeing with my opinion. Nothing wrong with that. I'm talking about how he went about it. Many ways to say I disagree without being a d*ck.

James Neal hasn't scored 30-goals in three years, and he has only done it once since 2012. If you thought he was going to be a 30-goal-scorer here in Calgary, then I don't know what to tell you.

[transplant99]

There is ZERO chance BT is giving anyone 10.5 million dollars in UFA, and certainly not Mark Stone.

I don't believe there is any way Stone ends up in Calgary without a roster player going back and that would be to much messing with chemistry nor could he be re-signed without even further altering of the existing roster IMO, so it happens not at all and i think everyone looks back in a couple years and says we dodged a bullet.

The big assets/cap space will be needed in the summer to address goaltending and any other issues that present themselves in the playoffs. that doesn't preclude smaller deals from happening and im sure there will be at least 2 of those, but blowing your asset brains out on a soon to be UFA that the team cannot realistically re-sign anyhow, is foolish. BT is nobodys fool.