2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Nelson]

Based on Pierre LeBrun's tweet (https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/st...40951512739841) from last night, it appears the Flames are looking at Mats Zuccarello. I posted my support of the Flames trading for Zuccarello a while back and I am still in favour of the move.

My reasons are:
(1) he will probably cost significantly less in terms of assets out than one of the big names: Stone, Panarin, Duchene, etc.
(2) he has been a productive player throughout his career (0.69 points/game = 56.58 points/82 games) and he is not slowing down this year with 37 points in 46 games
(3) he has only ever been positive in CF% relative to his teammates (this year he is +3.7%), which indicates to me that he helps his team possess the puck
(4) he will not complicate the salary structure next year as he is an UFA
(5) given that he will be 32 at the start of next year, the Flames may be able to bring him back relatively cheap if they really like him given that the market for older players has decreased significantly
(6) he has a reputation for playing hard and being feisty so he might be another body on the PK
(7) there are stories about him having really good relationships with his teammates (https://nypost.com/2019/02/21/henrik...th-zuccarello/), so I doubt he would disrupt the team's chemistry
(8) He has posted very strong results this season while playing on a bad team and against much better competition than the teammates he is playing with (https://public.tableau.com/shared/WM...play_count=yes)
(9) The lines could look like this (I apologize in advance):

Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Zuccarello
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik
Mangiapane/Czarnik/Hathaway - Jankowski - Ryan

Personally, I love those lines.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Ottawa's offer of 5 or 6 years for $10.5 AAV (ballpark) made Stone think
if Calgary wants to sign him, that is probably the starting point (according to Friedman)

Is it worth it?

Dillon Dubé
Andrew Mangiapane
2019 1st round pick (CGY)
2020 1st round pick (CGY)

Flames recoup picks at draft for TJ Brodie, Travis Hamonic, and Michael Frolík.

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Stone 10,5
Tkachuk 8,5 Backlund 5,35 Lindholm 4,85
Bennett 3,0 Jankowski 1,675 Neal 5,75
Hathaway ,794 Ryan 3,125 Czarnik 1,25

Giordano 6,75 Välimäki ,894
Hanifin 4,95 Andersson ,755
Kylington ,730 Stone 3,5

Rittich 3,0
Back-Up

Salary Cap $83,000,000
Cap Hit $79,920,832
Buyouts $1,500,000
Bonuses $565,000
Cap Space $3,000,168

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Is it worth it?

Dillon Dubé
Andrew Mangiapane
2019 1st round pick (CGY)
2020 1st round pick (CGY)

Flames recoup picks at draft for TJ Brodie, Travis Hamonic, and Michael Frolík.

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Stone 10,5
Tkachuk 8,5 Backlund 5,35 Lindholm 4,85
Bennett 3,0 Jankowski 1,675 Neal 5,75
Hathaway ,794 Ryan 3,125 Czarnik 1,25

Giordano 6,75 Välimäki ,894
Hanifin 4,95 Andersson ,755
Kylington ,730 Stone 3,5

Rittich 3,0
Back-Up

Salary Cap $83,000,000
Cap Hit $79,920,832
Buyouts $1,500,000
Bonuses $565,000
Cap Space $3,000,168

I do not want to lose Hamonic, he is a warrior and a guy that is built for playoff hockey on a great contract who wants to be here.

[memphusk]

Reading about Ho-Sang on tsn. He would be an interesting guy to pick up. Lots of skill.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I do not want to lose Hamonic, he is a warrior and a guy that is built for playoff hockey on a great contract who wants to be here.

Agreed. Would need to find a way to keep Hamonic in the fold. If Neal can have a decent playoffs to bring his value back up, maybe he's the odd man out instead?

Or Tre works his magic and gets both Tkachuk and Stone signed for sub 8.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Is it worth it?

Dillon Dubé
Andrew Mangiapane
2019 1st round pick (CGY)
2020 1st round pick (CGY)

Flames recoup picks at draft for TJ Brodie, Travis Hamonic, and Michael Frolík.

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Stone 10,5
Tkachuk 8,5 Backlund 5,35 Lindholm 4,85
Bennett 3,0 Jankowski 1,675 Neal 5,75
Hathaway ,794 Ryan 3,125 Czarnik 1,25

Giordano 6,75 Välimäki ,894
Hanifin 4,95 Andersson ,755
Kylington ,730 Stone 3,5

Rittich 3,0
Back-Up

Salary Cap $83,000,000
Cap Hit $79,920,832
Buyouts $1,500,000
Bonuses $565,000
Cap Space $3,000,168

I would do everything listed except trade hamonic. Our defense is like ten ply without him.

I also think that term (I.e. 7 or 8 years) could drive down the aav for stone, and a bridge could be used for tkachuk. If stones aav can come in around 8 or 8.5 it's much more feasible.

[Movechkin]

Would rather try to aim for Hayes and Zucc in one deal. Maybe something like Jankowski, Mangiapane, 2019 3Rd and 2020 2nd.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Reading about Ho-Sang on tsn. He would be an interesting guy to pick up. Lots of skill.

High risk, high reward.... I don't like it personally, as I think chemistry and ego plays a big part in how the Flames are playing so well. And I don't think there is a room big enough for Ho-Sang's ego.

[Vinny01]

Really feels like it will be Stone or Zuccarello that we land by Monday

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by manwiches

High risk, high reward.... I don't like it personally, as I think chemistry and ego plays a big part in how the Flames are playing so well. And I don't think there is a room big enough for Ho-Sang's ego.

Ho-Sang is one of those guys each team thinks "we can turn him around" and then says "I guess we couldn't".

[Monahammer]

Re: stone contract
5 year 10.5 mil is 52.5 mil guaranteed. Takes him to 32.
Flames could offer something like 7 @ 8.5 million, guaranteed 59.5 million and takes him to 34. How much does he think he'll be worth between 32 and 34

For tkachuk bridge I would point at kucherov. Want to win a cup matty? Stone being on his line most likely would also be a plus. We wouldn't get the same discount Tb got, but might be able to swing something in the 5.5 mil range for 2-3 seasons.

[MrMike]

8 Years @ 8.75 for Stone,
8 Years @ 8.25 for Tkachuk

[Vinny01]

The news that Stone and Dzingel are on the market is great great news for buyers. The market is full of options for the limited buyers.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The news that Stone and Dzingel are on the market is great great news for buyers. The market is full of options for the limited buyers.

It depends. If Dorion sticks to a high asking price or doesn't let teams talk to Stone/Duchene about an extension, it is going to hold up the market.

Stond and Duchene appear to be Plan A for almost all the contenders.

[killer_carlson]

Who plays goalie for us next year if we add $16 Million to the forward ranks?

I'd rather we resign our current guys and put some money in a high end goalie.

We score a lot of goals. We can do a better job stopping them.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Re: stone contract
5 year 10.5 mil is 52.5 mil guaranteed. Takes him to 32.
Flames could offer something like 7 @ 8.5 million, guaranteed 59.5 million and takes him to 34. How much does he think he'll be worth between 32 and 34

For tkachuk bridge I would point at kucherov. Want to win a cup matty? Stone being on his line most likely would also be a plus. We wouldn't get the same discount Tb got, but might be able to swing something in the 5.5 mil range for 2-3 seasons.

I suspect Stone thinks he will be worth 7-8 at age 32. Or more depending on the cap.

[Krynn]

What do you all think about Brock Nelson or Anders Lee , I saw this Rumour that the Islanders Maybe have them on the block cuz they're free agents at the end of the year and they are going after Panirn.
I just tonight it was interesting and fig i see what you all bad To say

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Who plays goalie for us next year if we add $16 Million to the forward ranks?

I'd rather we resign our current guys and put some money in a high end goalie.

We score a lot of goals. We can do a better job stopping them.

Only goalie I can think of is Bob and I doubt he would come here unless we overpaid like crazy.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Krynn

What do you all think about Brock Nelson or Anders Lee , I saw this Rumour that the Islanders Maybe have them on the block cuz they're free agents at the end of the year and they are going after Panirn.
I just tonight it was interesting and fig i see what you all bad To say

With them being the hunt I doubt they trade them. I think Nelson would be a great pickup

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect Stone thinks he will be worth 7-8 at age 32. Or more depending on the cap.

Perhaps, but lately over 30 players have not had great success in signing big contracts, and teams that do sign those players often get burned... with the league trending towards that 25-26 age for big money contracts, maybe stone will take a calculated risk and go for more guaranteed money.