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sureLoss · 02-21-2019, 04:21 PM

devils have pulled Johansson and Lovejoy from their lineups

Phagoof · 02-21-2019, 04:21 PM

If the Sens would take Neal, I'd do

1st, Dube, Kylington, Neal for Stone and Boroweiki

then go after Simmonds or Ferland (Need a bit more grit)

2nd + Czarnik

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Stone
Bennett-Jankowski-Ferland
Frolik-Ryan-Hathaway

Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Andersson

Rittich
Smith

Off season, trade Brodie for 1st and RHD prospect, trade frolik for a 3rd to open up room to resign stone and ferland, tkachuk, bennett and sign talbot.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Stone
Bennett-Jankowski-Ferland
Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Stone
Boroweiki

Rittich
Talbot

GranteedEV · 02-21-2019, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Kylington, Frolik, 1st and 2nd. Too much for us.

To me Kylington is more valuable than our 1st. In fact I value him like a top ten draft pick because he has that ability and ceiling.

In such a trade the 1st should be the most valuable piece.

1st, Jankowski, Frolik and 2nd seems far more realistic.

keenan87 · 02-21-2019, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't see it why he would not. Grew up in Manitoba as a Flames/Leafs fan. Brother plays here. Team is set to compete for years. If the money is available he will sign here.

I agree.. and he potentially has the opportunity to play on the top line.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Stone
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm

I don't even care what the bottom 6 would look like.

GranteedEV · 02-21-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by keenan87

I agree.. and he potentially has the opportunity to play on the top line.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Stone
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm

I don't even care what the bottom 6 would look like.

Czarnik - Bennett - Neal
Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway

Roof-Daddy · 02-21-2019, 04:26 PM

Lebrun?

OMG we're gonna get Stone with an extension aren't we?

Haha

Textcritic · 02-21-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

If extendable, Stone would solidify a top-tier top 6 for several years to come. Would have to shed some salary.

I do wonder if they lose Stone AND Duchene AND Dzingal whether you might be able to convince them to take Neal for no other reason so that they could get to salary floor next year...

I don't think so. There is too much term to make sense for a cap-compliance acquisition.

dissentowner · 02-21-2019, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunk

If extendable, Stone would solidify a top-tier top 6 for several years to come. Would have to shed some salary.

I do wonder if they lose Stone AND Duchene AND Dzingal whether you might be able to convince them to take Neal for no other reason so that they could get to salary floor next year.

1st 2019
Kylington
Jankowski
Parsons
Neal (maybe $1m retained)

Stone

Then Frolik traded in off season to clear more cap.

For Playoffs

Gaudreau-Monahan-Bennett
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Stone
Frolik-Backlund-Czarnik
Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Brodie

Rittich
Smith

Ridiculous.

You lost me at including Parsons. I still think he will be an elite starting goalie when he develops.

mrdonkey · 02-21-2019, 04:28 PM

I could see Lovejoy as a depth pickup.

Monahammer · 02-21-2019, 04:28 PM

I'm ok with giving up quite a bit for stone even without contract guarantee. Sell him on an extension by going far in the playoffs.

I would use a combination limited to these pieces:
Brodie
1st 2019
1st 2020
Dube
Jankowski
Neal
Frolik
Any prospect we own not currently in the nhl and not named valimaki or peterssen

dissentowner · 02-21-2019, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

To me Kylington is more valuable than our 1st. In fact I value him like a top ten draft pick because he has that ability and ceiling.

In such a trade the 1st should be the most valuable piece.

1st, Jankowski, Frolik and 2nd seems far more realistic.

Even Dorion is not stupid enough to do that. Other teams will certainly beat that.

Muta · 02-21-2019, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I could see Lovejoy as a depth pickup.

I was just thinking that too.

HerbalMagic · 02-21-2019, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Czarnik - Bennett - Neal
Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway

Bennett is really coming into his own on the wing, I'd run Czarnik or Dube down the middle next year if lost Janko for Stone.

Bennet - Czarnik/Dube - Neal

Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway

Bunk · 02-21-2019, 04:30 PM

Treliving is a gambler - he might be thinking Stone or bust, which would be interesting.

Think of it if you're an opponent of ours. Adding Stone to the group we already have, which is second overall and second in goals, would be absolutely terrifying. Add to his scoring, his exceptional defensive capabilities, and it would put us into a pretty high stratosphere. The biggest question will remain goaltending, however. One of Rittich or Smith has to perform at a high level no matter what.

Bunk · 02-21-2019, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You lost me at including Parsons. I still think he will be an elite starting goalie when he develops.

I'm banking on the gamble of Rittich being a #1 for the window. Gotta give up to get. But I get your point.

Phagoof · 02-21-2019, 04:33 PM

1st and Kylington is the starter for Stone

Next piece is either dube, or mangiapane

and then a cap dump frolik/neal since the flames want him signed.

SuperMatt18 · 02-21-2019, 04:34 PM

Think the problem I have with Stone is that he's likely also going to command a $9.5M cap hit - which means you likely have to move other pieces too to free cap on top of what you give up for Stone.

I'm going to assume that moving Neal is not feasible, and that moving our Stone wouldn't be an option as playing with his brother will be used to entice Stone to sign.

Rumor is Sens want 3-4 pieces, and in order to fit Stone in long term it means likely that at least Brodie and Frolik are moving.

So big picture the trade is:

Stone
Assets from Brodie Trade

for

2019 First
Dube
Kylington
Czarnik

Brodie (Moved in separate deal at draft)
Frolik (Moved as a cap dump at the draft)

As much as I do like Stone I wonder if it's worth it due to A) The young pieces we'd have to move out and B) The way it would negatively impact our depth moving forward.

I'd almost rather just take a shot in the offseason if he goes UFA.

Flash Walken · 02-21-2019, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Insider trading:

there has been dialog beween sens and Stone and Dzingel
no contract yet
Duchene, Stone, and Dzingel expected to sit out
can't officially say door is closed on Sens re-signing Stone and Dzingel

it needs to be a long term play for the Flames to get in Stone.
Sens asking for 4 assets
They need a contract extension or know they have a good shot to re-sign him

Bunk · 02-21-2019, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phagoof

1st and Kylington is the starter for Stone

Next piece is either dube, or mangiapane

and then a cap dump frolik/neal since the flames want him signed.

The other "cap dump" possibility that people think is likely in the off season but could happen now is Brodie. If you're very confident Valimaki and Stone could play this spring, then it is doable. You could probably pick up another depth D for this year as part of an Ottawa transaction, or for a low pick from somewhere else.

Assuming Kylington AND Brodie are part of a Stone deal:

Gio-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Stone

Is a good D group. Then pick up a number 7 from somewhere.

GranteedEV · 02-21-2019, 04:39 PM

Maybe our old whipping boy Mason McDonald has some trade value...22yo putting up .917 and 2.23 GAA in the ECHL. These are better numbers than 22yo Jonathan Quick in the same league.