Oliver Kylington

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by imeubu

And there are many examples similar of where Kylington shows ultra elite on-ice awareness and positioning. Not sure this is being absorbed here as much as I think it should be. We're talking "instinct"... even more than talent I think. There is just something I see that is extremely rare about how he "sees" and positions himself off the puck. He has more than enough talent with the puck to qualify. I see Gio ++ in his ability to do the equivalent of "read the defense and audible at the line"

Ultra elite?

Holy over the top Batman.

Not sure how many other NHL coaches would be able to name the guy without crib notes.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

When is his contract up?

Gaudreauvertime has been reincarnated.

this was my exact thought as well

[edslunch]

imeubu's hyperbole aside, I do see flashes of something special in him. If earns more trust and gets a top 4 injury opportunity I think we might see another level from him.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Ultra elite?

Holy over the top Batman.

Not sure how many other NHL coaches would be able to name the guy without crib notes.

Agentman, actually.

Agentman, Agentman.
Does whatever an agent can.
Higher cap hit? Just you wait.
Use the forum to negotiate.
Lookout, here comes the Agentman.

[Manhattanboy]

I’ve been impressed with his play I will say that.

Great to be able to see the Flames having developed three solid young D from within the organization.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

this was my exact thought as well

I'm sure that several coaches have taken notice of Kylington. I see lots of upside with his game and hope he along with Valimaki & Dube are kept. My expendables are Mangiapane, Stone, Prout & Neal. Andersson & Czarnik are on the bubble. I don't agree with this "must win now" attitude. I don't agree with giving away the farm to get a goaltender. Patience!

And contrary to popular opinion, if I had a chance to move Gaudreau for Stone, he'd be gone.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I'm sure that several coaches have taken notice of Kylington. I see lots of upside with his game and hope he along with Valimaki & Dube are kept. My expendables are Mangiapane, Stone, Prout & Neal. Andersson & Czarnik are on the bubble. I don't agree with this "must win now" attitude. I don't agree with giving away the farm to get a goaltender. Patience!

And contrary to popular opinion, if I had a chance to move Gaudreau for Stone, he'd be gone.

You're no good. No good at all.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I was following up until Gaudreau for Stone.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by memphusk

You're no good. No good at all.

Maybe you should provide a worthy opinion of my suggestion rather than just a comment on me. Gaudreau coughs up the puck more than anyone on the team. While we're tied up in our zone, he's getting ready for another break away. Have you ever noticed that when he gets a break away shot and doesn't score he turns away from the puck. Kids playing bantam are taught not to do that. You want to overlook his failings that's your choice. Sorry but I've never been a fan.

[Manhattanboy]

Please let’s stop the madness now before things get out of hand.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Teroy

And contrary to popular opinion, if I had a chance to move Gaudreau for Stone, he'd be gone.

Well thank Christ you are not our GM. Stone is a good player but not on the same tier as JG

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Maybe you should provide a worthy opinion of my suggestion rather than just a comment on me. Gaudreau coughs up the puck more than anyone on the team. While we're tied up in our zone, he's getting ready for another break away. Have you ever noticed that when he gets a break away shot and doesn't score he turns away from the puck. Kids playing bantam are taught not to do that. You want to overlook his failings that's your choice. Sorry but I've never been a fan.

So he plays like a small gifted offensive dynamo. All high skilled offensive guys turn the puck over trying to make amazing plays. Do you dislike Pat Kane too?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Maybe you should provide a worthy opinion of my suggestion rather than just a comment on me. Gaudreau coughs up the puck more than anyone on the team. While we're tied up in our zone, he's getting ready for another break away. Have you ever noticed that when he gets a break away shot and doesn't score he turns away from the puck. Kids playing bantam are taught not to do that. You want to overlook his failings that's your choice. Sorry but I've never been a fan.

Gaudreau is one of the best players in the entire league. He is on another level than Stone.


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[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Maybe you should provide a worthy opinion of my suggestion rather than just a comment on me. Gaudreau coughs up the puck more than anyone on the team. While we're tied up in our zone, he's getting ready for another break away. Have you ever noticed that when he gets a break away shot and doesn't score he turns away from the puck. Kids playing bantam are taught not to do that. You want to overlook his failings that's your choice. Sorry but I've never been a fan.

his job is to carry the puck because he's the best at it, when you have the puck as much as he does everybody coughs up the puck

[theg69]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Maybe you should provide a worthy opinion of my suggestion rather than just a comment on me. Gaudreau coughs up the puck more than anyone on the team. While we're tied up in our zone, he's getting ready for another break away. Have you ever noticed that when he gets a break away shot and doesn't score he turns away from the puck. Kids playing bantam are taught not to do that. You want to overlook his failings that's your choice. Sorry but I've never been a fan.

This is getting ridiculous. Anyone criticizing Johnny should give their head a shake. He’s currently one of the most underpaid players with his contract relative to his ppg. He is the most dynamic player on the team by far and was challenging for the art ross before his recent slump. Of course he may turn the puck over.. you accept that because he is your most gifted and dynamic player offensively.



You want a hockey argument? Trading Johnny for Stone is asinine - for starters Johnny is on a good value long term contract and Stone is UFA, not to mention Stone will command about 8-9 million long term and you may lose him for nothing even if you do trade for him.

Secondly, at the all star break, Johnny was ranked only behind Kucherov by the hockey writers for being the most valuable player to his team. Now where are the Flames in the standing compared to the Senators? Yes I know there’s a better supporting cast here - but if you are going to trade our MVP on a good value contract, it better not be for a UFA who probably isn’t even better if you ask the hockey world.

What is telling is that you criticized Johnny and compared him to Nedved last April and then became suspiciously quiet when he absolutely tore up the league in the first half of the season. Yes he is slumping since the all star break but I’m willing to cut him a bit of slack when he still leads the team in points by a whopping 12 points and still is fourth in league scoring.

Some of these posts are so ridiculous, it just makes me wonder what some people are watching when they watch the team.

[topfiverecords]

I’d trade Gaudreau for Stone...not 1 for 1...but...Stone (signed), Chabot, their next 4 1st round picks, and a 7th.

[soulchoice]

At this point I’m not entirely convinced I’d want to lose Kylington over Andersson for a trade. From what I have seen, I truly don’t think Valamaki is that much further ahead. Defensively he may be more steady but offensively I think Oliver has the most upside out of any of the rookies. His ceiling is high, let’s hope he gets there.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by imeubu

And there are many examples similar of where Kylington shows ultra elite on-ice awareness and positioning. Not sure this is being absorbed here as much as I think it should be. We're talking "instinct"... even more than talent I think. There is just something I see that is extremely rare about how he "sees" and positions himself off the puck. He has more than enough talent with the puck to qualify. I see Gio ++ in his ability to do the equivalent of "read the defense and audible at the line"

Since you Brought up Gio, you should go look at his history with the team and how his development progressed with the team.
I like what Kylington brings and his potential.
There is absolutely nothing prejudicial or wrong about how he's being developed and the Flames have gone out of their way to dispel any perceived character issues brought up during the draft.
End of story.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

At this point I’m not entirely convinced I’d want to lose Kylington over Andersson for a trade. From what I have seen, I truly don’t think Valamaki is that much further ahead. Defensively he may be more steady but offensively I think Oliver has the most upside out of any of the rookies. His ceiling is high, let’s hope he gets there.

Kylington over Valimaki is recency bias. Valimaki is a much more complete package.

As for Andersson, he's a completely different animal. If the Flames ever lose Hamonic, Andersson is going to be called upon to fill that role.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Kylington over Valimaki is recency bias. Valimaki is a much more complete package.

Valimaki over Kylington is size bias.