2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Insufficient Funds]

To Canadamatt. Not one single poster has argued that Zuc wouldn't help that line, he would be an upgrade on Frolik.

It's your undervalueing of Stone as a whole that people are in staunch disagreement with. Stone is nothing like Neal, Brouwer or (puke) Jones. Stones playmaking ability and hockey IQ dwarf the other players mentioned.

Saying all that, I don't think they'll be able to afford him in both rental cost or re-signing cost. It would be nice, but seems to difficult. I think we're in more of the Johansson, Dzingle, Zuc and even Ferly, area of complimentary pieces. We shouldn't have to give up our 1st for any of those players, which would be my preference.

[Poe969]

Dont feed the troll! Stone = Brouwer = Jones so we should be able to give up next to nothing to get him.

Can you please share this logic with pierre dorion?

[Machiavelli]

I almost admire CanadaMatt's relentless commitment to his terrible opinion

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

Way out of line....hahaha

The exact same thing was said about Brouwer as an upgrade to Jones
The exact same thing was said about Neal as an upgrade to Brouwer
...and now it’s being said about Stone as an upgrade to Neal/Frolik

At the time of signing, not many people were arguing against the Brouwer or Neal signings... look how that turned out.just because I’m in the minority’s, doesn’t mean I’m wrong...I may turn out to be wrong on this signing but we can deal with that using hindsight

Tkachuk is not quick. He needs speed in his other wing imho, which is (I think) the reason that line looks like a new-born baby giraffe trying to roller skate whenever Neal is on it.

Do you not think Zuccarello would fit on that line?

Zuccarello would be fine. I won't argue that.

But, Stone is an elite two way winger. He's probably a bigger better version of Lindholm minus the face off ability. There's little to no reasonable comparison to be made between Stone and David Jones, or Troy Brouwer, or a 31(?) year old James Neal. I wouldn't take a 26 year old James Neal over Stone.

I think your understanding of how good Mark Stone is, is a little off. If the Flames can get him and get him under contract, you go all in.

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[Macindoc]

2019 1st, 2019 3rd, Frolik, Neal, and 2020 3rd (conditionally upgraded to 2020 1st if he re-signs) for Stone. Gives Ottawa multiple draft picks they will need for their re-build, helps them reach the cap floor, gives them a player who's good in the room (Neal) and a fitness freak (Frolik) to improve the culture of their team, gives Calgary the cap space to re-sign Tkachuk and possibly Stone. Frolik would have a rejuvenation playing more minutes, and the change of scenery might be enough to give Neal a lift.

Ottawa will never go for it, but one can always dream.

[442scotty]

All NHL trading seems to be in a holding pattern till the Stone and Duchene situation is resolved. It would be nice to get Stone but it’s gonna be expensive. It would probably take at least one first round pick, one young defence man and probably Dube... and of course a signed Stone for long term. Winnipeg will offer at least a first, Roslovic, Petan etc. All bets are off for both Calgary and Winnipeg if they cant negotiate and sign the player as part of the deal. Just my take. Winnipeg might be willing to do a rental but I don’t think Calgary will

[oldschoolcalgary]

our 1st doesn't have a lot of cache at 25+

Neal has negative value, especially for a team that's not willing to spend to the cap...

any proposals that don't included a 1st, Dube/Kylington + a second, at a minimum, aren't going to get sniffed for player of Stone's ability...

He's basically Ottawa's version of Monahan.... would calgary fans trade him for some of the proposals they see here?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

our 1st doesn't have a lot of cache at 25+

Neal has negative value, especially for a team that's not willing to spend to the cap...

any proposals that don't included a 1st, Dube/Kylington + a second, at a minimum, aren't going to get sniffed for player of Stone's ability...

He's basically Ottawa's version of Monahan.... would calgary fans trade him for some of the proposals they see here?

I know where you are coming from with the comparison to Monahan. I always have a tough time with these comparisons though.

Frankly, if Monahan was not going to re-sign and the Flames were not in the playoffs, i would trade him for a 7th round pick if that is the best offer on the table. That is my opinion though. Stone isn't a cost-controlled player with term on his contract.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

our 1st doesn't have a lot of cache at 25+

Neal has negative value, especially for a team that's not willing to spend to the cap...

any proposals that don't included a 1st, Dube/Kylington + a second, at a minimum, aren't going to get sniffed for player of Stone's ability...

He's basically Ottawa's version of Monahan.... would calgary fans trade him for some of the proposals they see here?

He's basically Ottawa's version of Monahan going to free agency, entirely different situations.

Look at the Evander Kane deal, and look at the Erik Karlsson deal. Find a mid-point between those two deals, and there's your Mark Stone value.

Evander Kane returned a conditional 2nd round pick and a conditional 4th round pick. Due to Kane re-signing, the 2nd round pick became a lottery protected 2019 1st round pick, that would slide to a 2020 1st round pick if the Sharks missed the playoffs. Buffalo also got former 5th round pick Danny O'Reagan.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

our 1st doesn't have a lot of cache at 25+

Neal has negative value, especially for a team that's not willing to spend to the cap...

any proposals that don't included a 1st, Dube/Kylington + a second, at a minimum, aren't going to get sniffed for player of Stone's ability...

He's basically Ottawa's version of Monahan.... would calgary fans trade him for some of the proposals they see here?

Cant compare Monahan and Stone right now because Monahan is under contract.

If Monahan got traded now then Id expect a boatload (same as Stone). If he was turning UFA and we knew he wouldnt re sign (rental player), then the return would be probably half as good.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He's basically Ottawa's version of Monahan going to free agency, entirely different situations.

Look at the Evander Kane deal, and look at the Erik Karlsson deal. Find a mid-point between those two deals, and there's your Mark Stone value.

Evander Kane returned a conditional 2nd round pick and a conditional 4th round pick. Due to Kane re-signing, the 2nd round pick became a lottery protected 2019 1st round pick, that would slide to a 2020 1st round pick if the Sharks missed the playoffs. Buffalo also got former 5th round pick Danny O'Reagan.

I think the problem some posters have though is when you throw in a Neal contract. That would just never happen. A lot of the proposals are eye rolling.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think the problem some posters have though is when you throw in a Neal contract. That would just never happen. A lot of the proposals are eye rolling.

Yeah, Neal is going nowhere. Also, Neal shouldn't go anywhere. We signed him to help change the culture, help build a winning culture, and produce offensively.

Oct-Dec, the produce offensively part was a huge failure.

Since January 1st though, Neal has produced at a .5PPG clip (well, 7 points in 15 games) while playing on the 3rd line thanks to the greatly improved team depth.

Oh, and the Flames are 1st in the Western Conference. To me, a lot of the negativity directed towards Neal is outdated analysis and missing the point as to why we signed him in the first place. It hasn't been a perfect start for him personally, but it has been nearly perfect for the team as a whole.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, Neal is going nowhere. Also, Neal shouldn't go anywhere. We signed him to help change the culture, help build a winning culture, and produce offensively.

Oct-Dec, the produce offensively part was a huge failure.

Since January 1st though, Neal has produced at a .5PPG clip (well, 7 points in 15 games) while playing on the 3rd line thanks to the greatly improved team depth.

Oh, and the Flames are 1st in the Western Conference. To me, a lot of the negativity directed towards Neal is outdated analysis and missing the point as to why we signed him in the first place. It hasn't been a perfect start for him personally, but it has been nearly perfect for the team as a whole.

Even with the "eye test", night in and night out neal is much better than brouwer was in the same role.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I know where you are coming from with the comparison to Monahan. I always have a tough time with these comparisons though.

Frankly, if Monahan was not going to re-sign and the Flames were not in the playoffs, i would trade him for a 7th round pick if that is the best offer on the table. That is my opinion though. Stone isn't a cost-controlled player with term on his contract.

i think the comparison was respect to the kind of offers were putting out...Stone is just a name for us - for the Senators, he's a player that is incredibly valuable.

In spite of the UFA status, some team is going to pay a 1st, a top prospect and a middle roster player minimum imo...

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think the problem some posters have though is when you throw in a Neal contract. That would just never happen. A lot of the proposals are eye rolling.

while i understand why they are doing it - to fit Stone in under the cap long term - there just isn't a reason why another team takes on a bad contract.

As for Kane - i think the big difference is that Kane was seen as a problem in the room, unfairly or not, he didn't get a lot of interest as a result... Stone doesn't have that issue.

Stone's career PPG is a touch higher than Monahan's, which is one of the reasons for the comparison.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, Neal is going nowhere. Also, Neal shouldn't go anywhere. We signed him to help change the culture, help build a winning culture, and produce offensively.

Oct-Dec, the produce offensively part was a huge failure.

Since January 1st though, Neal has produced at a .5PPG clip (well, 7 points in 15 games) while playing on the 3rd line thanks to the greatly improved team depth.

Oh, and the Flames are 1st in the Western Conference. To me, a lot of the negativity directed towards Neal is outdated analysis and missing the point as to why we signed him in the first place. It hasn't been a perfect start for him personally, but it has been nearly perfect for the team as a whole.

Saying a Neal Contract wouldnt be involved in acquiring the #1 Trade deadline pickup in the league isn't Neal bashing. Looks like thats how you interpreted it but thats not the case. Ottawa will be looking for cheap young assets or picks. Frolik maybe but not Neal.

[Heavy Jack]

Eklund has the flames looking at Eric Staal for what it’s worth (not much I know lol) but that said Staal’s experience and 17+20 for 37 points isn’t too shabby. Depending how the big fish hunting goes if we ended up with Zuccarello + Staal I would be pumped.

[bubbsy]

Staal would be an amazing add to the flames.

Monahan, Staal, Backlund, Ryan, Jankowski. That would be some amazing center depth.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Saying a Neal Contract wouldnt be involved in acquiring the #1 Trade deadline pickup in the league isn't Neal bashing. Looks like thats how you interpreted it but thats not the case. Ottawa will be looking for cheap young assets or picks. Frolik maybe but not Neal.

I missed the "a" on your first post, my bad.

I'd be surprised to see Ottawa not take back an NHL contract and player of some weight (Frolik is a good example) if they want to maximize their return (which would require Stone to sign where he is being dealt).

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Eklund has the flames looking at Eric Staal for what it’s worth (not much I know lol) but that said Staal’s experience and 17+20 for 37 points isn’t too shabby. Depending how the big fish hunting goes if we ended up with Zuccarello + Staal I would be pumped.

Staal could be an interesting add. He definitely wouldn't be the only add I'd be hoping for but if Stone and Duchene end up elsewhere, adding Zuccarello and Staal with eyes on re-signing both potentially would be awesome (I hate pure rental deals).

[Bleeding Red]

I understand that Eklund pulls stuff out of his butt....but has anyone seen Eric Staal play lately? Is he still any good? Can he play the wing?

Anyone else on MIN of interest? A chance to fleece a former Flame?