2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[GullFoss]

Does it make sense to Target anyone? Even if you add a significant body and make it to the finals, it still feels inevitable that you'll end up losing to Tampa in 6 or less.

43 wins and 11 losses - that's basically like winning 11 seven-gamr series in 5 games each. The flames are good. But the distance between 2nd best and Tampa is significant.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by OldSam

All that for Panarin and Goalie Bob when neither will resign here. Let's give away useful players for rentals - NOT. I am game to let some players go for assets that can become part of the Flames going forward.

Well nothing comes free so I ask the question,

Do you feel confident with Neal and his cap hit for the next several years? If not, chances are most teams have this same feeling. I would love to propose Neal for a 2nd rounder like some Oiler fans thinking Lucic holds value but reality is, you have to pay to a heavy price to put your anchor on another teams boat.

I feel confident that we have other d men who can replace Brodie and although he is having a better year, I am not sold on him and think it would be wise to sell while he holds more value than he has in the last several years.

Jankowski will be lucky to be a consistent 3rd liner on this team with the 4th line being more likely. He could play 2nd line on some teams and while his stock is as high as I think it gets and when the time comes, I could see his camp pushing to play somewhere else where he sees more ice so I try to make something of it.

What I like about Bob and Panarin is that we go all in this year but we really don't mortgage the future. They are off the books at the end of this season + you free up 5+ million in Neal and you can now go after anybody you want. I could see Calgary being an attractive FA destination this off season if we had the cap space based on how well we are doing.

Do you give up 25th overall pick to clear Neals contract?

Do you trade Mark Stone or Matt Duchene on a 5 year deal for Brodie, Jankowski and 50th overall pick?

While taking both deals above, you also get Bobrovky and Panarin for your current playoff run as an added bonus.

I understand this is based on being able to sign either of them but if $ isn't a issue and you are competing with rebuilding teams to sign them, I like the chances at getting one of the top players.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Does it make sense to Target anyone? Even if you add a significant body and make it to the finals, it still feels inevitable that you'll end up losing to Tampa in 6 or less.

43 wins and 11 losses - that's basically like winning 11 seven-gamr series in 5 games each. The flames are good. But the distance between 2nd best and Tampa is significant.

I think 7 game series really change the dynamic of the question and gives the other teams much more preparation to look at what makes them so dangerous and try to slow it down. How often does the presidents choice winner make it to the finals?

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bubble goalie prospect my ass. I know he has had a slow start but giving Parsons to LA in a deal for Quick is just stupid. Hey, lets trade away the goalie prospect nicknamed Quick Jr by pro scouts for the broken down real Quick. That is how you kill an organization down the road. Remember when Button shuttled Giguere out of town? This would be that all over again. Gillies is an ok goalie prospect but he is not remotely on the same level ceiling wise as Parsons.

Edit: I didn't even notice Quick is not even the goalie in this deal, this is even more brutal than I thought.

I know you watched Parsons in London and had a first hand view at his skill set in a JR environment, but he hasn’t just had a slow start. Parsons has played 22 games in the AHL over 2 years and can’t stay healthy or get his save % over .900.

I hope he becomes Quick Jr., but much like Jankowski was supposed to be Niewendyk Jr, you may have to adjust your expectations.

If I could upgrade him for a NCAA and AHL all star who has a .924 % in the NHL and is cost controlled for a few more years, I would jump at the chance as would most smart GMs.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Well nothing comes free so I ask the question,



Do you feel confident with Neal and his cap hit for the next several years? If not, chances are most teams have this same feeling. I would love to propose Neal for a 2nd rounder like some Oiler fans thinking Lucic holds value but reality is, you have to pay to a heavy price to put your anchor on another teams boat.



I feel confident that we have other d men who can replace Brodie and although he is having a better year, I am not sold on him and think it would be wise to sell while he holds more value than he has in the last several years.



Jankowski will be lucky to be a consistent 3rd liner on this team with the 4th line being more likely. He could play 2nd line on some teams and while his stock is as high as I think it gets and when the time comes, I could see his camp pushing to play somewhere else where he sees more ice so I try to make something of it.



What I like about Bob and Panarin is that we go all in this year but we really don't mortgage the future. They are off the books at the end of this season + you free up 5+ million in Neal and you can now go after anybody you want. I could see Calgary being an attractive FA destination this off season if we had the cap space based on how well we are doing.



Do you give up 25th overall pick to clear Neals contract?



Do you trade Mark Stone or Matt Duchene on a 5 year deal for Brodie, Jankowski and 50th overall pick?



While taking both deals above, you also get Bobrovky and Panarin for your current playoff run as an added bonus.



I understand this is based on being able to sign either of them but if $ isn't a issue and you are competing with rebuilding teams to sign them, I like the chances at getting one of the top players.

Not sold on Brodie? He’s proven himself as a top pairing defenseman over and over again when he plays his off side. Losing him would be a massive blow to the team. And he’s on a great contract. I wouldn’t even trade him for rental Stone straight up.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by heep223

Not sold on Brodie? He’s proven himself as a top pairing defenseman over and over again when he plays his off side. Losing him would be a massive blow to the team. And he’s on a great contract. I wouldn’t even trade him for rental Stone straight up.

Fair enough.... just a difference of opinions. I like Brodie and actually have a signed jersey framed in my office of his but try to be realistic when it comes to who you really have to give up to get deals done. I think Gio is able to elevate his partner, regardless of who it is and seeing Andersson take huge strides this year along with Valiamaki impressing me more than I expected, I see Brodie as the most attractive bait for another team.

[OldSam]

Oh, I agree you have to give to get. But I sure wouldn't be targeting a goalie that has had zero success in the playoffs and a winger that will end up where there is a very large Russian community. As I said, I would rather focus on getting someone that might stay. Who knows though, maybe Tre is focusing on rentals like you suggest. Sure will be interesting to see what happens.

[stang]

Talbot
Lucic
Ryan Spooner

For

Neal
Smith

Tear me up haha

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by stang

Talbot
Lucic
Ryan Spooner

For

Neal
Smith

Tear me up haha

Theres no longer a GM in the league stupid enough to accept either of the lucic or spooner contracts. Must be something in the water up there.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by stang

Talbot
Lucic
Ryan Spooner

For

Neal
Smith

Tear me up haha

To unload that historically bad Lucic contract will take a LOT of value. I don't know what could get it done.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Redrum

To unload that historically bad Lucic contract will take a LOT of value. I don't know what could get it done.

Connor McDavid and lucic for Monahan and neal maybe? Otherwise I'd rather just see lucic anchor down that edmonton team

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Theres no longer a GM in the league stupid enough to accept either of the lucic or spooner contracts. Must be something in the water up there.

Neal contract is looking every bit as bad at this point

[stang]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Theres no longer a GM in the league stupid enough to accept either of the lucic or spooner contracts. Must be something in the water up there.

Only put spooner in to make numbers work.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Neal contract is looking every bit as bad at this point

Well it is 250k less, has zero trade protection, not bonus heavy so could be bought out. Lucic deal is far worse and I think Neal has a better chance of bouncing back.

[stang]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Neal contract is looking every bit as bad at this point

Lucic has 4x as many hits. Haha I’m terrible at trade proposals. I don’t want you guys to have Talbot either because I think he’s going to be good again

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Well it is 250k less, has zero trade protection, not bonus heavy so could be bought out. Lucic deal is far worse and I think Neal has a better chance of bouncing back.

Not to mention neal actually adds value on the ice even if he isnt scoring. Lucic adds literally nothing anymore.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Does it make sense to Target anyone? Even if you add a significant body and make it to the finals, it still feels inevitable that you'll end up losing to Tampa in 6 or less.

43 wins and 11 losses - that's basically like winning 11 seven-gamr series in 5 games each. The flames are good. But the distance between 2nd best and Tampa is significant.

If the Flames made it 4 rounds deep I don't think I'd be concerned about the quality of competition they'd put forth against the Lightning. If they slayed all the dragons they would have to in order to make it there, they'd put up a fight.

They would probably be playing like the Flames team that went shot for shot with them all the way to extra shooters in the SO.

As for targets, I'm just going to keep beating the Nyquist+Howard drum until it happens.

[Karl]

Lucic is done. Can barely skate anymore and has lost all of his NHL skill.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not to mention neal actually adds value on the ice even if he isnt scoring. Lucic adds literally nothing anymore.

I’m pretty sure lucic has 4x the hits that Neal does

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Neal contract is looking every bit as bad at this point

People need to stop saying things like this. The Neal contract looks bad, but that Lucic deal is in a class all its own.