2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MrMike

What would it take to get Dubnyk?

Ritiich, a 1st and some stuff?

Would be a huge get for Calgary, although I doubt Minny moves him, he’s simply too important to the team.


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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Ugh. This again?

Criticism of Sigalet is certainly worth discussion when there is something to discuss. A poster yesterday put together a pretty solid breakdown of some differences he thinks he sees in how Flames goalies play that he also believes are a result of Sigalet's coaching. That is abundantly fair.

But that is the exception. Most of the arguments over coaching gravitate around these unconvincing, anecdotal claims of causation from correlation. Most of the advocates for a coaching change make these typically binary projections which seem to treat all goalies as equal, absolving them of all their own skills and deficiencies. The fact that goalies who struggled in the Flames organisation have continued to struggle elsewhere is a pretty good indicator, I think, that Sigalet is probably not the problem.

Occam's razor would rather suggest that Hiller, Ortio, Elliott, and Johnson are just not very good goalies. Ramo suffered a NHL career-ending injury, Smith is at an age that is unsurprisingly catching up to him, and Rittich is still learning to play lots of games at a high level and manage to pressure.


But that's not the definition of insanity.

Agree with all of this, except the definition of insanity part. I believe it was Alexander Hamilton who first defined insanity this way. Pretty sure Lin Miranda wrote a song about it; humming it to myself right now.

It is interesting that Sigalet has remained through various regimes. Other sports routinely change position coaches if the club's results aren't what they like. Flames have no problem going through coaches and so I have often wondered exactly what the philosophy is with respect to the goalie coach.

[ComixZone]

How any management could have faith in Mike Smith right now is beyond me.

Worst goalie in the league? Yeah...yeah yeah yeah, all good!

[Knut]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

How any management could have faith in Mike Smith right now is beyond me.

Worst goalie in the league? Yeah...yeah yeah yeah, all good!

Would you rather them say they do not have any faith in him at all ? Sewer him for the season.

[Travis Munroe]

The loading up for this year and dumping Neals contract proposal... Jankowski and the 2nd are basically a sweetener to take Neal while Brodie and a late first is for Bob and Panarin

Panarin @ 6m
Bobrovsky @7.4m

For
1st round pick (mid 20s likely)
2020 2nd round pick
TJ Brodie @ 4.65
Mark Jankowski @ 1.67
James Neal @5.75


OR

Brodie
to Ottawa for
Stone or Duchene
Ottawa flips Brodie to Toronto for Torontos 1st round pick (likely a later pick as well)

Brodie has 1 more year left on it adding some value and I could see him having no issues with his modifed no trade clause to go to Toronto as his family is out there and he goes that way every off season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Hes

Would you rather them say they do not have any faith in him at all ? Sewer him for the season.

He’s already eating anchovy and whipped cream pizza with Michelangelo and Donatello quite comfortably.

[ForeverFlameFan]

That first proposal is awful.

[jg13]

Sportsnet saying Calgary is in on:

Duchene
Stone
Panarin
Zuccarello
Hayes

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by jg13

Sportsnet saying Calgary is in on:

Duchene
Stone
Panarin
Zuccarello
Hayes

No, they said those are the top 5 available players.

[dammage79]

My preference of that SN list:
1. Duchene (Resoning, Center, I want more centers, we need more. Pushing Backs down to 3rd line duties could be YUGE)
2. Panarin (Game breaking skillset, does it all offensively)
3. Stone (Big modern RW with a whizz shot)
4. Hayes
.
.
.
.
Other players
.
.
Zuccharello.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

My preference of that SN list:
1. Duchene (Resoning, Center, I want more centers, we need more. Pushing Backs down to 3rd line duties could be YUGE)
2. Panarin (Game breaking skillset, does it all offensively)
3. Stone (Big modern RW with a whizz shot)
4. Hayes
.
.
.
.
Other players
.
.
Zuccharello.

My preference is a player we can retain after this year. No rentals please

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

That first proposal is awful.

How come?.... If I had to guess, 1/3 of the league wouldn't take Neal and our very late first for their own 5th right now. I can't see Neal improving throughout the span of the next several years and I can see it as a big issue for signing any new free agent. Jankowski also is slowly losing his role on the team. I like him but he is likely a long time 4th liner with this current roster.

This proposal loads up for this year and then you find a big chunk of open cap space going into this off season where there are some good looking free agents that Neals money would be better spent on.

Just my take... one of about 10,000 in this thread.


Panarin @ 6m
Bobrovsky @7.4m

For
1st round pick (mid 20s likely)
2020 2nd round pick
TJ Brodie @ 4.65
Mark Jankowski @ 1.67
James Neal @5.75

[jg13]

Originally Posted by keenan87

No, they said those are the top 5 available players.

"Trade target" sounds a lot different than "Players available"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

My preference of that SN list:
1. Duchene (Resoning, Center, I want more centers, we need more. Pushing Backs down to 3rd line duties could be YUGE)
2. Panarin (Game breaking skillset, does it all offensively)
3. Stone (Big modern RW with a whizz shot)
4. Hayes
.
.
.
.
Other players
.
.
Zuccharello.

[CanadaMatt]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Home come.... If I had to guess, 1/3 of the league wouldn't take Neal and our very late first for their own 5th right now. I can't see Neal improving throughout the span of the next several years and I can see it as a big issue for signing any new free agent. Jankowski also is slowly losing his role on the team. I like him but he is likely a long time 4th liner with this current roster.

This proposal loads up for this year and then you find a big chunk of open cap space going into this off season where there are some good looking free agents that Neals money would be better spent on.

Just my take... one of about 10,000 in this thread.


Panarin @ 6m
Bobrovsky @7.4m

For
1st round pick (mid 20s likely)
2020 2nd round pick
TJ Brodie @ 4.65
Mark Jankowski @ 1.67
James Neal @5.75

It’s an interesting shout...might need to add another first though imho

[CGY12]

Not interested in trading for Panarin, where their is literally a 0% chance at resigning him.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by CanadaMatt

It’s an interesting shout...might need to add another first though imho

While it is unfortunate seeing picks go, if you can acquire one of these younger free agent stars in the off season by opening cap space now, it sets your team up for the next few years at the very least while you can then re tool the farm.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by jg13

"Trade target" sounds a lot different than "Players available"

Sure, but if you actually listened to that segment. No way they said the Flames are in on all of them.

[OldSam]

All that for Panarin and Goalie Bob when neither will resign here. Let's give away useful players for rentals - NOT. I am game to let some players go for assets that can become part of the Flames going forward.

[djsFlames]

I'll take any of those 5 players on this team.

Can they do it tomorrow? Cool thx.