02-14-2019, 10:14 AM
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#9941
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Lifetime Suspension
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Dube, Frolik, 1st and a conditional 1st if he signs is more like it. Based off the big name traded players from players from previous years.
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02-14-2019, 10:20 AM
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#9942
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Yes, my proposal would be with Stone signed to an extension (agreement in place)
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02-14-2019, 10:20 AM
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#9943
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Posted the 2 millionth post!
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Brodie, Bennett, Frolik, 1st round pick for Mark Stone and Borowiecki?
Extension in place for Stone of course.
Flame away!
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02-14-2019, 10:22 AM
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#9944
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Just say no to Mark Borowiecki, who is one of the worst defensemen I've ever seen play live. Besides, why would Ottawa trade him when they're about to name him captain?
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02-14-2019, 10:24 AM
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#9945
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Franchise Player
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Does anyone really think that we would trade our #2 defenseman before the off season?
Or Bennett for that matter?
The Flames will be looking to add to their current roster, not shake it up significantly.
Adding Mark Stone is great, but not if you are just creating a hole (or two) elsewhere on the roster.
If anything, they would trade prospects/picks to add a player like that, then maybe look to move guys like Brodie at the draft to recover picks/prospects as well as clear cap space to extend Stone.
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02-14-2019, 10:28 AM
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#9946
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First Line Centre
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Oilers trade Talbot to Flyers
Flyers trade Talbot to Flames for Smith and 2020 2nd.
Talbot wins Conn Smythe for Flames.
E=NG
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02-14-2019, 10:36 AM
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#9947
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Yes, my proposal would be with Stone signed to an extension (agreement in place)
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I don’t see why the Flames feel the need to give Ottawa significantly more value by getting him signed in advance. The Flames could easily tamper through Mime Stone to see if there is a legit chance to sign Mark and then pay the rental price to get him and sign him afterwards.
Guys like Bennett and Kylington need to be retained for the playoffs.
What about this deal
To CGY: Stone
To Ott: 1st CGY, Hudon, 2nd (Mtl), Dube, 3rd CGY (becomes 1st if Stone re-signs in Calgary
To MTL: Frolik
CGY trades 1st, Dube, Frolik, conditional pick gets Stone
Montreal trades Hudon and 2nd to get Frolik
Ottawa trades Stone to get 1st, 2nd ,3rd (could turn into 1st), Hudon, Dube
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02-14-2019, 10:37 AM
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#9948
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
I don’t see why the Flames feel the need to give Ottawa significantly more value by getting him signed in advance. The Flames could easily tamper through Mime Stone to see if there is a legit chance to sign Mark and then pay the rental price to get him and sign him afterwards.
Guys like Bennett and Kylington need to be retained for the playoffs.
What about this deal
To CGY: Stone
To Ott: 1st CGY, Hudon, 2nd (Mtl), Dube, 3rd CGY (becomes 1st if Stone re-signs in Calgary
To MTL: Frolik
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So my deal is too rich, but yours has the Flames giving up potentially two 1st round picks? Plus the prospect and a roster player?
My idea was the Flames have an agreement that they can sign / extend Stone and give up this year's 1st a top prospect and a roster player.
Last edited by Toonage; 02-14-2019 at 10:40 AM.
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02-14-2019, 10:38 AM
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#9949
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
The Flames could easily tamper through Mime Stone to see if there is a legit chance to sign Mark
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Smart because if they mime it, then nothing can be used against them in a tampering case
Anyways, not sure why Montreal would give up a second for Frolik.
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02-14-2019, 10:44 AM
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#9950
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Smart because if they mime it, then nothing can be used against them in a tampering case
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Unfortunately they'd also learn that Stone would be unwilling to come to Calgary as he's currently stuck in a glass box.
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02-14-2019, 10:44 AM
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#9951
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Does anyone really think that we would trade our #2 defenseman before the off season?
Or Bennett for that matter?
The Flames will be looking to add to their current roster, not shake it up significantly.
Adding Mark Stone is great, but not if you are just creating a hole (or two) elsewhere on the roster.
If anything, they would trade prospects/picks to add a player like that, then maybe look to move guys like Brodie at the draft to recover picks/prospects as well as clear cap space to extend Stone.
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I agree on Brodie. But I suppose if you are adding Stone, and trading Bennett as part of the price, you are probably moving Frolik to the third line (or something similar) and there's no hole created. Also, after the trade deadline, you might see Dube, Quine and/or Lazar come up. So there will be bodies.
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02-14-2019, 10:45 AM
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#9952
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Table 5
Unfortunately they'd also learn that Stone would be unwilling to come to Calgary as he's currently stuck in a glass box.
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Pull him in using the rope.
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02-14-2019, 10:55 AM
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#9953
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Smart because if they mime it, then nothing can be used against them in a tampering case
Anyways, not sure why Montreal would give up a second for Frolik.
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They are flush with cap space and also a team that was trying to sign him when the Flames did
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02-14-2019, 10:57 AM
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#9954
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First Line Centre
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We already have the least amount of hits in the league...I'm not a fan of trading away Bennett, one of the only guys who can throw a hit, especially in the playoffs.
That's my main concern with the roster - we ain't goin' deep in the playoffs with an average of 12-14 hits/game
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02-14-2019, 10:58 AM
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#9955
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
So my deal is too rich, but yours has the Flames giving up potentially two 1st round picks? Plus the prospect and a roster player?
My idea was the Flames have an agreement that they can sign / extend Stone and give up this year's 1st a top prospect and a roster player.
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Yes we can’t afford to give up Kylington and Dube imo we need these ELC’s now. Frolik while still valuable is a needed cap dump, and we only give up the pick if he stays. I don’t see the sign and trade scenario as realistic.
My deal keeps defensive depth for the playoffs yours removes it.
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02-14-2019, 10:58 AM
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#9956
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Franchise Player
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for the talked about acquisition cost / salary I hope Stone ends up elsewhere.
He’s a good winger you can count on for 20 goals and 60 points for as long as his skating holds up. That’s not worth a big hit to cap long term and the team depth it would take IMO.
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02-14-2019, 11:00 AM
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#9957
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Yes we can’t afford to give up Kylington and Dube imo we need these ELC’s now. Frolik while still valuable is a needed cap dump, and we only give up the pick if he stays. I don’t see the sign and trade scenario as realistic.
My deal keeps defensive depth for the playoffs yours removes it.
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Gotcha. I can understand that approach for sure.
Just for the record, my deal isn't a sign and trade. Ottawa trades Stone, we then sign him. Agreement would be in place prior to the trade that Calgary would sign him. My assumption is that once Ottawa agrees to hear offers they allow the agent to discuss terms with interested teams.
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02-14-2019, 11:18 AM
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#9958
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Nov 2016
Exp:  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Does anyone really think that we would trade our #2 defenseman before the off season?
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Really depends on if you think Brodie is a legit #2 or if he's a fraud being carried by Gio.
Personally if Brodie gets a top 6 forward I think you have to take that risk as I'm not sold on him.
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02-14-2019, 11:20 AM
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#9959
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
When we traded for Hamilton it had to have been for Bennett.
When we traded for Hamonic, obviously Bennett was going the other way.
When we traded for Lindholm, of course the Hurricanes were getting Bennett so both players would get a change of scenery.
Bennett "has" to part of the package for a Mark Stone that is presumably NOT re-signing in OTT
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So because he wasn't needed to do other deals, means he wont be the request in any others.
Solid logic.
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02-14-2019, 11:23 AM
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#9960
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I think we could probably land Talbot via a third party.
Talbot sent to Philly for a late pick. They flip him to Calgary for an earlier pick.
Flames try and find Smith a home.
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