2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ignite]

I'm still hoping for Kevin Hayes. 2nd line center with Tkachuk and Neal. Drop Janko to the 4th line wing. Perhaps I would give up a first for him (changed my mind).

I think cap space could be made for him this summer, if he would agree to a 6 million-ish deal. He's big, skilled and underrated.

Another thought... Flames should not trade Välimäki for anything. He'll be a top pairing D-man within a few years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ignite

I'm still hoping for Kevin Hayes. 2nd line center with Tkachuk and Neal. Drop Janko to the 4th line wing. Perhaps I would give up a first for him (changed my mind).

I think cap space could be made for him this summer, if he would agree to a 6 million-ish deal. He's big, skilled and underrated.

Another thought... Flames should not trade Välimäki for anything. He'll be a top pairing D-man within a few years.

Hayes is definitely an intriguing option. I do think he costs a 1st as well and I don’t really want to spend that on anyone other than Stone.

[Blixa]

There aren’t lot of teams searching for high end talent or atleast have the picks and cap space or prospects to do any major.
Tampa: Needs more depth on blueline.
Toronto: Don’t have cap space because bonus money from elc.
Boston: There is definitly a need for talent.
Washington: Don’t have cap space
Pittsburgh: willing to do something.

San jose: Willing to do something, not lot of picks left.
Calgary: Has the ability to do something
Las Vegas: Will add something, has picks and prospects.
Winnipeg: Needs second line center.
Nashville:,Will add something.

Rest of the teams IMO will not do significant in trade dead line.
If there is 6 buyers and 15 sellers, the prices might be quite low after dust settles.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Mark Stone is not coming to Calgary. The cost is the very definition of prohibitive.

If Ottawa isnt going to sign him what makes the cost prohibitive? Realistically SJ, Vegas, and Boston are the likely other suitors. Maybe Nashville?

We definitely cant let any of the west teams land him for cheap. So we at least have to be at the table to push up the price a bit and hurt them down the line. Ideally they wont acquire him though as that would be pretty objectively bad for our cup aspirations.

I would do it, even for a rental 30 games, at a max cost of dube+1st. That seems expensive but in essence we are not only bidding to get him here but bidding to ensure our greatest competitors dont get dramatically better in time for the playoffs.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I view that as a trade that was easy to forgive because they won the cup. But if they hadn’t it would’ve been crucified as a big mistake.

Trading away one of the best goal scorers ever for a decent backup and an ageing defencemen isn’t great asset management. I doubt Fletcher knew what Hull would become or I doubt he would’ve made that deal.

Hull was considered an offensive talent, but lazy and poor defensively.

Now one thought he’d become the HOF he became.

Rob Ramage was a very good d-man at the time.

I don’t recall any push back on the trade at all from fans or the media.

Hey, if you make enough trades, you’ll eventually trade away some stars. Just the law of averages.


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[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Blixa

Rest of the teams IMO will not do significant in trade dead line.
If there is 6 buyers and 15 sellers, the prices might be quite low after dust settles.

I was thinking similar to what you are saying. This seems to be a year where more teams are in the awkward phase of "Are we a good or bad team" and the obvious bad ones. The way I see it:

Contenders "This could be our year to win with this core. We are going all in." - Trade deadline cap space via CapFriendly
Nashville: $6,254,589
Winnipeg:$5,912,589
Toronto: $4,319,893
Boston: $4,210,332
Vegas: $3,547,749
Tampa Bay: $1,624,258
Calgary: $1,500,661
San Jose: $1,145,940
Pittsburgh*: $482,902
Washington: $236,787

The Rebuilders - "We've traded people, fired coaches, new management, and we're on the right track. No need to sell. Might pick up assets"
Vancouver
New York Islanders
Montreal

So let's focus on the buyers first. I count 3 teams that have gone through recent organizational changes and seem to be on the upswing in the NHL. These teams definitely could add, yet aren't actively shopping their big name players. Most likely will make the playoffs (Yes I'm aware I'm talking about Vancouver).

Which leaves 10 teams as probable contenders this year. The big dogs who will likely make a trade to improve their roster as they stand today. You could point out a flaw on each team and no doubt their GM's are working to fix that. Pittsburgh* is the odd one here, not a strong as recent years but as long as they have Crosby/Malkin they will be contenders.


The Grey Area - "We are battling for a playoff spot, and we are a dysfunctional team. Do we sell or do we buy?"
Columbus
Dallas
St. Louis
Minnesota
Carolina
Buffalo
Colorado
Philadelphia
Florida

The Lottery Picks - "Jack Hughes or bust! Sell everything!!"
Ottawa
Detroit
New Jersey
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Edmonton
Arizona
Chicago
New York Rangers

I count 18 teams that are trending negatively for some reason or another. These are most likely your teams that will be actively shopping big names on their teams to make some big changes. We are less than 2 weeks out from the deadline and that is going to be huge for the teams that are in The Grey Area on whether they will buy or sell.

[TheScorpion]

Except Ottawa doesn't have a pick and Arizona and Chicago are technically fighting for playoff spots too. Weird year in the west.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Except Ottawa doesn't have a pick and Arizona and Chicago are technically fighting for playoff spots too. Weird year in the west.

It is a very weird year in the west... and it could make it even more strange if Anaheim or LA rattled off a 5-6 game winning streak and were suddenly in that grey area group as well.


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[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I view that as a trade that was easy to forgive because they won the cup. But if they hadn’t it would’ve been crucified as a big mistake.

Trading away one of the best goal scorers ever for a decent backup and an ageing defencemen isn’t great asset management. I doubt Fletcher knew what Hull would become or I doubt he would’ve made that deal.

Calling Ramage an 'aging defenseman' is pretty unfair. He had just turned 29 at the time of the trade, and had just been to his third all star game a few weeks before the trade. He had 42 points in 67 games at the time of the trade. He had three previous years with 60 or more points in a season. He was tough and very good defensively as well.

Sure his point totals dipped while in Calgary, but Suter and MacInnis were scooping up all the prime offensive opportunities and Ramage played more of a shut down role. He finished his career with 564 points in 1044 games. Not HoF numbers, but not way off either.

It was a big pick up at the time. With Suter being hurt for the playoffs in 89, his acquisition was a big part of the cup win.

Those late 80s Flames teams had no shortage of goal scorers, but just like now, quality defensemen cost a lot to acquire. So giving up Hull in retrospect was an overpayment, but the players the Flames got weren't spare parts, especially in the case of Ramage.

[looooob]

Hull was considered an offensive talent, but lazy and poor defensively.

Now one thought he’d become the HOF he became.

Rob Ramage was a very good d-man at the time.

I don’t recall any push back on the trade at all from fans or the media.

Hey, if you make enough trades, you’ll eventually trade away some stars. Just the law of averages.

yeah obviously the degree of Hull's offensive explosion was not predicted but he was already , in his rookie season with the flames on a 40-40 pace, so he could score


Flames had McDonald (old), Mullen (sort of old but Flames gave up on too soon), Loob (bailed without notice) and Makarov (not here yet) in the system at the time (hmm I wonder if any team post expansion had so much HOF caliber talent in the system at one position at the same time?) all at RW (Fleury at that time was mostly a C as I recall). so Hull felt expendable, but a few years later, clearly not.



also Ramage for sure was a good D. In fact (and I found an old sporting news article to this effect a few years ago), the feeling around the league at the time was the Flames gave up too little for Ramage and Wamsley . Sather actually lodged an official protest with the league, claiming he would have offered more . the sporting news article actually implied that there was a side deal in place for the Flames to send a second young player (rumored to be Gary Roberts) to the Blues at the completion of the 88 season to even it out

[FBI]

Honest question, what would you guys give up for Puljujarvi? 2nd round pick?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by FBI

Honest question, what would you guys give up for Puljujarvi? 2nd round pick?

If the Flames had a second, I would.

[sureLoss]

Insider trading:

Jets first top prioritiy is a top 6 winger
Dreger speculating that Stone will be a great fit but what is the asking price
Chevelydaov will be aggressive but not all in

LeBrun:
Vegas linked with Stone because of the McCrimmon connection
BUT Watch out for the Calgary Flames
Flames haven't made any serious inquires yet. Treliving still analyzing the market
Flames will inquire on Stone if he does become available

McKenzie thinks that the Pastrnak injury adds urgency to Boston's plans
Team was already looking for a 2nd line winger and 3rd line center and now a top line winger is out for at least 2 weeks.

BJs need the return for Panarin to outweigh the cost of having to replace him because they want to win this year
Columbus has interest in Duchene.

Sekera's conditioning stint is almost over.
Need to move Petrovic and Manning out or waive them to gain the cap space to activate Sekera.

[Heavy Jack]

Man if we got Stone on this team just look out, unbelievable top 6 with him in the fold.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Insider trading:

Jets first top prioritiy is a top 6 winger
Chevelydaov will be aggressive but not all in

LeBrun: Flames will inquire on Stone if he does become available

Man, LeBrun is really the only insider I trust a lot with the Flames. I would be so excited if this happens.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by FBI

Honest question, what would you guys give up for Puljujarvi? 2nd round pick?

Edmonton doesn't do that. They probably go for a reverse Griffin Reinhart, until they realize no one is dumb enough to do that

[Heavy Jack]

1st + 3rd + Dube + Czarnik + Frolik ???

[Prufrock]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Insider trading:

Jets first top prioritiy is a top 6 winger
Chevelydaov will be aggressive but not all in

LeBrun: Flames will inquire on Stone if he does become available

This is all I read. Looks like we're getting Stone.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Prufrock

This is all I read. Looks like we're getting Stone.

It really would be amazing. That second line would be our version of Pasternak-Bergeron-Marchand.... except it’d technically be our second line. The next three years would be Stanley Cup window years. Guess we can just watch and see what happens here.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by looooob

Hull was considered an offensive talent, but lazy and poor defensively.

Now one thought he’d become the HOF he became.

Rob Ramage was a very good d-man at the time.

I don’t recall any push back on the trade at all from fans or the media.

Hey, if you make enough trades, you’ll eventually trade away some stars. Just the law of averages.

yeah obviously the degree of Hull's offensive explosion was not predicted but he was already , in his rookie season with the flames on a 40-40 pace, so he could score


Flames had McDonald (old), Mullen (sort of old but Flames gave up on too soon), Loob (bailed without notice) and Makarov (not here yet) in the system at the time (hmm I wonder if any team post expansion had so much HOF caliber talent in the system at one position at the same time?) all at RW (Fleury at that time was mostly a C as I recall). so Hull felt expendable, but a few years later, clearly not.



also Ramage for sure was a good D. In fact (and I found an old sporting news article to this effect a few years ago), the feeling around the league at the time was the Flames gave up too little for Ramage and Wamsley . Sather actually lodged an official protest with the league, claiming he would have offered more . the sporting news article actually implied that there was a side deal in place for the Flames to send a second young player (rumored to be Gary Roberts) to the Blues at the completion of the 88 season to even it out

Yeah Ramage and McCrimmon did a lot of the heavy lifting for that team during the regular season and into the playoffs, particularly after Suter was hurt.