Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[Oling_Roachinen]

Tempers were high after a crucial loss to the divisional rival Sharks. Debates turned to heated arguments as to which players were at fault. With emotions high and no consensus as to who was at fault it was decided to let things simmer down over the night instead of a ban.

Night 5 has begun

Do not post in this thread, please PM your night actions by 10:00 PM, February 8, 2019.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Puckluck, MMF? With rumours swirling that a banned poster had returned under a new alias, it was the Oiler fan who convinced others that it was DropIt and had him banned.

It is now Day 6

With 6 posters, it takes 4 votes to ban user prior to deadline. It takes at least 2 votes to ban user at the deadline. A tied vote at deadline results in no banning.

Vote Count:

Votes(0)

Hasn’t Voted (6):
Puxlut, Hockeyguy15, devo22, WinnipegFan, mrkajz44, Scornfire

Deadline is Monday, February 11th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

Kinda surprised at that ban...

Have to do a 9.5 hour day, will try to sneak on during my shift.

Vote: WinnipegFan

[devo22]

reading all that stuff yesterday morning was frustrating as hell. Not only that a tie was willfully forced, but also that some where ready to lynch me fully aware that I was not going to be able to respond/defend/deathpost. I'm not going to be around at 4am or 5am, sorry guys. I'd expect better from experienced players like DropIt, who was my mafia buddy in a previous game and knows this, or mrkajz44, who I teamed up with in the Genius game back then. If you want to lynch me, please give me at least an opportunity to respond. Not doing so is, at the very least, very poor town play.

As is forcing a tie, by the way. I should have listened at SebC, WinnipegFan is not to be trusted with his decisions.

[WinnipegFan]

Originally Posted by devo22

reading all that stuff yesterday morning was frustrating as hell. Not only that a tie was willfully forced, but also that some where ready to lynch me fully aware that I was not going to be able to respond/defend/deathpost. I'm not going to be around at 4am or 5am, sorry guys. I'd expect better from experienced players like DropIt, who was my mafia buddy in a previous game and knows this, or mrkajz44, who I teamed up with in the Genius game back then. If you want to lynch me, please give me at least an opportunity to respond. Not doing so is, at the very least, very poor town play.

As is forcing a tie, by the way. I should have listened at SebC, WinnipegFan is not to be trusted with his decisions.

I am confused as to why I can't be trusted? I was very clear in my decision making process. I asked for clarity from experienced players as to why a tie was a bad idea. The town was going to lynch DropIt, I didn't think he was Oiler, I was right? How does this make my decision making untrustworthy? I was actually correct in my analysis of the person that the town wanted to lynch.

Devo I made it clear that I was voting to create a tie as I did not think either of you were Oilers, and I asked for clarity as to why a tie was worse. You not being there is not my fault, but no one made a compelling argument to me that a tie was worse than losing DropIt. How in hindsight is losing only DropIt to the night kill, worse than us killing him ourselves and then having someone else die from the night kill? This again lacks any semblance of sense.

Pux is a coward, she claimed to believe that neither of the two in the tie where Oiler but didn't want the tie. Then was unable to explain it at any point and simply tried to hide behind "not being available" despite the fact that she clearly was but never offered any support. Then today she simply throws a vote at me again because I am on to her as the Oiler troll. She gets my vote as I believe she was colluding with GGG early and now she is simply hiding with no actual defense or theory. She gets my vote.

I am not sure why you don't like my play style when all I am doing is using logical decision making. I was very clear in this at the end of the day as I stills tand by it, I said DropIt was not Oiler, I was not convinced a tie was worse, his card flip proves me right. What is wrong with this?

[WinnipegFan]

vote: Puxlut

[WinnipegFan]

Also, Devo22 you will notice that when I decided to pull Pux, who I believe is the Oiler, into the conversation I knew she was there. I did not attempt a pile on for anyone who was absent. In fact I asked her to defend herself but she was unable, or unwilling to do so. This to me shows further guilt. She is trying to fly low and rely on her early vote to hide her as town.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

I am confused as to why I can't be trusted?

you've impulsively revenge-voted quite a bit in this game, you gave GGG the chance to off himself, you argued for and succeeded in forcing a tie and you dared a player to vote himself out. Sorry if I'm harsh here, but I fail to see how any of that stuff helps us.

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

You not being there is not my fault

and I didn't say it was. But it's also not my fault that there is no movement all day and people all of a audden go berserk in the final hour when I'm not around.

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

How in hindsight is losing only DropIt to the night kill, worse than us killing him ourselves and then having someone else die from the night kill? This again lacks any semblance of sense.

we only learn through cardflips, and we only win if we lynch people. A tie takes away both things, doesn't it?

Nightkilling DropIt is a weird decision. With him squirming and throwing dirt everywhere in order to save himself would have again made him a prime lynch target, I wonder why he was killed. Maybe because it's all too convenient to you and your "see? we only lost DropIt instead of him + X" pitch.

[WinnipegFan]

Originally Posted by devo22

you've impulsively revenge-voted quite a bit in this game, you gave GGG the chance to off himself, you argued for and succeeded in forcing a tie and you dared a player to vote himself out. Sorry if I'm harsh here, but I fail to see how any of that stuff helps us.

and I didn't say it was. But it's also not my fault that there is no movement all day and people all of a audden go berserk in the final hour when I'm not around.

we only learn through cardflips, and we only win if we lynch people. A tie takes away both things, doesn't it?

Nightkilling DropIt is a weird decision. With him squirming and throwing dirt everywhere in order to save himself would have again made him a prime lynch target, I wonder why he was killed. Maybe because it's all too convenient to you and your "see? we only lost DropIt instead of him + X" pitch.

So in the same post you claim I "impulsively revenge-voted," which I have addressed and admitted to on day 1 as there was very little information. Then you attempt to develop a highly complex theory at the end and tie it to me. So which is it? Am I complex or simple?

I am transparent and new, I have learned the in and outs of this and asked for clarity about forcing a tie which I still stand by. I explained my Scornfire vote and was simply playing out some banter with him in the nature of the game.

I have a working theory regarding Puxlut which includes her behaviour at the end of the last night. However, if you want to continue down the path of pointing at me I can live with that, just know you will be flipping another town and be prepared to further your investigation on those grounds. I am fine with being voted out as long as our team wins. I stand by my current vote.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Fine - I don't like this though

Why did you do it then?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Why did you do it then?

I didn't think DropIt was Oiler, so I didn't want to move from him. I also wasn't going to get Devo banned by sitting on him. The fact that Pux was there to break the tie and refused to do so was quite frustrating, so I voted a bit with emotion there. Those last 10 minutes were pretty stressful.

[mrkajz44]

Also, I'm not voting today until Pux and HG explain why they were there at the deadline, but didn't actually take any action. If they both though a tie was a bad idea, then each of them had the power to avoid that. Winnipeg, DropIt, and myself were debating the merits of a tie and I actually think the tie yesterday was not a terrible idea based on the panic at the deadline.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by devo22

reading all that stuff yesterday morning was frustrating as hell. Not only that a tie was willfully forced, but also that some where ready to lynch me fully aware that I was not going to be able to respond/defend/deathpost. I'm not going to be around at 4am or 5am, sorry guys. I'd expect better from experienced players like DropIt, who was my mafia buddy in a previous game and knows this, or mrkajz44, who I teamed up with in the Genius game back then. If you want to lynch me, please give me at least an opportunity to respond. Not doing so is, at the very least, very poor town play.

As is forcing a tie, by the way. I should have listened at SebC, WinnipegFan is not to be trusted with his decisions.

I also thought it was a frustrating last hour - I know I probably didn't make the best decisions due to the time crunch and being unable to fully think through my actions. Trying to put to bed my son at the same time didn't help.

I know the time difference makes it impossible for you to be on at deadline, but I don't know you can call us out on bad Flames play for maybe trying to vote you out. We only have a few bans left, so we can't afford to say "well, Devo cannot be on, so he's safe" - it sucks but there is no way around it.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I didn't think DropIt was Oiler, so I didn't want to move from him. I also wasn't going to get Devo banned by sitting on him. The fact that Pux was there to break the tie and refused to do so was quite frustrating, so I voted a bit with emotion there. Those last 10 minutes were pretty stressful.

This was supposed to say move to him, not from him. Post #924 shows that I believed DropIt to be Flames.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Also, I'm not voting today until Pux and HG explain why they were there at the deadline, but didn't actually take any action. If they both though a tie was a bad idea, then each of them had the power to avoid that. Winnipeg, DropIt, and myself were debating the merits of a tie and I actually think the tie yesterday was not a terrible idea based on the panic at the deadline.

I was voting for DropIt because I believed he could have been the last Oiler. Winnipegfan came in and tied the vote on Devo, I was trying to debate the idea of a tied vote as well as looking to see if I missed anything on Devo, then all of the sudden you guys flipped to voting Puxlut. So my options were get strong armed into pulling my vote off someone I thought could be last Oiler and in the process getting someone banned I haven’t really suspected as being the Oiler, or sit tight and hope that you guys didn’t tie.

Do you think puxlut is the last Oiler fan?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

We only have a few bans left, so we can't afford to say "well, Devo cannot be on, so he's safe" - it sucks but there is no way around it.

that's beyond the point. Feel free to have suspicions about me, vote for me and, if you're convinced, lynch me. If it helps town in any way, I'm happy to put my head on the chopping block. But give me an opportunity to respond. Even without the obvious time difference, starting such a motion and piling on an hour before he deadline is a terrible play. We have 2-3 days, why leave it until the last hour? Even if the person in question lives in Calgary, there's no guarantee he/she will be around in that one hour. Willingness to off people without giving them a chance is a bad strategy IMO.

I thought that there was lots of information given during that last hour. I feel more comfortable in my suspicions now. Hence my vote.
I admit I don't play alot of theories and more with my gut... I've always been like that. And I know I am an emotional player... that too has been proven. When people know that and try use that to force me into something I don't believe in or attack my integrity, I get defensive. That's what I do. I should have gone straight to bed, but peeked at my ipad while laying in bed and saw that stuff going down and I couldn't help voice my concerns. And I got drawn into it by WF... like a putz I am.
The tie was willfully forced and it forced me to be put in a position to have to choose between 2 people I thought were town. What else would you have me do? The only thing I could do was the emotional thing and keep my vote on who I think is the last greaser and hope that others agree with me and flip to my vote. That's basically why I stayed and let the tie happen.. . it was the lesser of 2 evils at the last possible second. I hope that answers your question mrk?
Zero lynches=ZERO percent of winning. I'm not a smart woman, but I wouldn't lay a bet in Vegas with those odds.
Sorry... I gotta go for a bit.

Ooops... sorry... one last thing before I have to go. In trying to figure out what the bad guy was trying to think in his game play, I came upon this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...lated_Inaction
When learning the "ins and outs" of the game, take a look at some of these points and see how many some of these players have done these tactics. It's quite interesting.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

I thought that there was lots of information given during that last hour. I feel more comfortable in my suspicions now. Hence my vote.
I admit I don't play alot of theories and more with my gut... I've always been like that. And I know I am an emotional player... that too has been proven. When people know that and try use that to force me into something I don't believe in or attack my integrity, I get defensive. That's what I do. I should have gone straight to bed, but peeked at my ipad while laying in bed and saw that stuff going down and I couldn't help voice my concerns. And I got drawn into it by WF... like a putz I am.
The tie was willfully forced and it forced me to be put in a position to have to choose between 2 people I thought were town. What else would you have me do? The only thing I could do was the emotional thing and keep my vote on who I think is the last greaser and hope that others agree with me and flip to my vote. That's basically why I stayed and let the tie happen.. . it was the lesser of 2 evils at the last possible second. I hope that answers your question mrk?
Zero lynches=ZERO percent of winning. I'm not a smart woman, but I wouldn't lay a bet in Vegas with those odds.
Sorry... I gotta go for a bit.

Yes, this does answer my question. I will say it would have been nice to hear you say that at the time rather than now, but I understand the panic that was felt in those last 60 minutes or so.

This is where I struggle with Pux being Oilers: if she was the only Oiler left, then it wouldn't matter who got banned, Devo or DropIt. As long as it wasn't her. No one would have blamed her to vote one or the other as there were a few people who didn't want a tie. But Pux withheld her vote - I feel like that doesn't jive if she's an Oiler. Wouldn't it be better to ban a Flames fan in the day and basically have no blood on your hands?

I circle back to HG again - he was there at the deadline and was pretty much the only one not reacting emotionally. Like he just wanted to watch what was happening, but not interjecting too much. The panic to get something done was not felt by him.