[Signing] Leafs sign Auston Matthews to contract extension (5 yrs, $11.634 mil AAV)

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

I think Matthews is a 50 goal - 30 Point guy at his best.

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[ST20]

Man the amount of salt in this thread is hilarious. If only some of you spent less time on CP you could be an actual GM signing everyone under market value based on the best hindsight contracts signed years ago!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

With all this math and roster puzzle-solving, you actually have to be smart to run a hockey team these days, unlike days of yore. Of course, the franchise that has not caught on to this and is all-drooler operated is not far from here, but there is a separate thread for that...
The question I have - is there more to Matthews than Tyler Seguin or Steven Stamkos?

There will be by the time he hits their ages IMO.

Health has been an issue but moving forward and if he can stay on the ice, I believe he becomes one of the top 3 players in the game.

[PeteMoss]

I see the new Leafs media narrative is this is all smart and part of a paradigm change in the league. Don't pay old guys, pay young guys.

Pro tip - you can do the former without doing the latter.

There is zero correlation between not offering James Neal or Milan Lucic long term deals and signing your RFAs to giant deals. Just means you blink when negotiating contracts when push comes to shove.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He's produced at a 40G pace every year he's been in the league, will have scored 30 in each of his first three seasons, and he plays center.

Again, the Leafs will never regret this contract. Barring debilitating injuries or concussions, Matthews is going to be $11.634M Matthews every day of this contract.

These contracts sewer teams when they ask 30 year old Toews to be 20 year old Toews. When all of a sudden you're paying a $6M guy $10.5M for less results, that's untenable.

At 26, Matthews can extend for eight years, and you can probably expect him to provide value for at least six of them, if not the entire deal.

Term destroys teams.

I'm sure the leafs wish they could have another 3 years...let's not act like the Leafs are the smartest guys in the room or something. They gave him 5 because that is what he would sign. Contact is market value, if he produces at a high end clip the points per $$ will be okay....but not great. Really they had no choice though.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

What is the pick compensation to sign Marner to an offer sheet in the $11 million dollar deal?

Last year it was:

Over $8,118,641 to $10,148,302 (2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks
Over $10,148,302 (4) 1st picks

I suppose the easiest answer is that the team would simply match, but I'm surprised we haven't seen any strong teams make offer sheets of $10,148,301 x 5 for Marner level guys (I guess there also just aren't many of those guys).

For instance, if I'm Nashville, I'd make that offer to Marner (or maybe Tkachuk/Laine). Then flip Subban for cheaper #4 D-man and picks/prospects to offset the compensation you gave away

I'd have done the same for Ekblad a few years ago (I'm sure he'd prefer ~$50M/5 than the $60M/8 he got), and I'd definitely do it for Dahlin

Seems like an opportunity to trade in a late 20's superstar for an early 20's superstar for only a bit more cap hit

Philly (Voracek or JVR), STL (ROR, Tarasenko, or Schenn), NJ could sell Hall's last year at $6M for a really good return, NYI (Bailey) - some examples of high dollar guys w/o NTC.

Even if you're getting a weak return on the player you end up trading away, you could come out of it better and younger.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He's produced at a 40G pace every year he's been in the league, will have scored 30 in each of his first three seasons, and he plays center.

Again, the Leafs will never regret this contract. Barring debilitating injuries or concussions, Matthews is going to be $11.634M Matthews every day of this contract.

These contracts sewer teams when they ask 30 year old Toews to be 20 year old Toews. When all of a sudden you're paying a $6M guy $10.5M for less results, that's untenable.

At 26, Matthews can extend for eight years, and you can probably expect him to provide value for at least six of them, if not the entire deal.

Term destroys teams.

They may not regret this particular contract but I can guarantee they will regret how their salaries are structured, as early as negotiation time with Marner.

[Resolute 14]

Just under half the league does not have the draft picks required to be eligible to sign a player to such an offer sheet. That is one big limiting factor.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Just under half the league does not have the draft picks required to be eligible to sign a player to such an offer sheet. That is one big limiting factor.

I bet a big portion of the others don't have the cap room to make a serious offer. And then there's the rumoured risk of GMs treating you like a pariah.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I bet a big portion of the others don't have the cap room to make a serious offer. And then there's the rumoured risk of GMs treating you like a pariah.

And the player has to want to live and play in the offering teams city....if $$$ is the only motivation then that doesnt matter, otherwise it is another obstacle to being successful in making such a move.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its not just "hype".

Since coming into the league he has more goals per game than anyone not named Ovechkin. Scored 40 as a teenager.

He is 4th in team scoring now...and missed 14 games.

He is 21 years old.

He is a franchise player...full stop.

If you want to argue Tavares is the best player on the team, OK but that wont be for long. The sky is the limit for Matthews and if he can stay healthy he will be a fixture on Team USA and all star teams etc for the next decade.

If you paid your franchise player this amount, and then had other guys coming in at $2 million less it wouldn't be such a big issue.

But you can't pay 4 guys all around the $10 million mark and not run into cap hell.

The value of these contracts for guys who are being looked at as 'potentially' great players doesn't make sense.

Is Johnny our franchise player? Why didn't we pay him $11 million? He was clearly on the rise as a star in this league.

Dubas is getting played like a fool here.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And just prior to signing that contract Crosby had won the Ross, Hart and Pearson. I don't recall Matthews doing that last year.

This.

You can make the comparison over percentage of total cap all you want, but then it opens up the door over how you preformed during the course of your ELC.

Fact is that Matthews is not even CLOSE to the same level as Crosby or McDavid were in the first 3 years, and therefore shouldn't be paid the same way.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Azure

If you paid your franchise player this amount, and then had other guys coming in at $2 million less it wouldn't be such a big issue.

But you can't pay 4 guys all around the $10 million mark and not run into cap hell.

The value of these contracts for guys who are being looked at as 'potentially' great players doesn't make sense.

Is Johnny our franchise player? Why didn't we pay him $11 million? He was clearly on the rise as a star in this league.

Dubas is getting played like a fool here.

Well sure but if Gaudreau was coming off his ELC after this year and had full rights he wouldn't be signing the contract he did.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Well sure but if Gaudreau was coming off his ELC after this year and had full rights he wouldn't be signing the contract he did.

Did Matthews have "full rights" (I assume you mean arbitration rights)? Other than that, what rights did Matthews have that Gaudreau didn't?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Did Matthews have "full rights" (I assume you mean arbitration rights)? Other than that, what rights did Matthews have that Gaudreau didn't?

Offer sheet? Gaudreau literally had no leverage except sitting out.

Market was different when Gaudeau signed anyway. He wouldn't be signing the same contract this summer.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Offer sheet? Gaudreau literally had no leverage except sitting out.

Market was different when Gaudeau signed anyway. He wouldn't be signing the same contract this summer.

Sure, the market changed somewhat (though I still see pretty good deals last year), but you said "full rights", meaning Matthews had some legal leverage that Gaudreau didn't. Gaudreau could have been offer sheeted as well, no?

[dino7c]

Gaudreau wasn't offer sheet eligible...he only played one game in the first year of his elc and therefor didn't have enough games played

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by ST20

Man the amount of salt in this thread is hilarious. If only some of you spent less time on CP you could be an actual GM signing everyone under market value based on the best hindsight contracts signed years ago!

Lol, you call it salt, I call it laughing at Leaf fans overhyping Dubas and his abilities. That contract isn't good, and Dubas earned an "m" to his last name on that one IMO. For that amount, he should have at least had him locked up for longer.

[ST20]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Lol, you call it salt, I call it laughing at Leaf fans overhyping Dubas and his abilities. That contract isn't good, and Dubas earned an "m" to his last name on that one IMO. For that amount, he should have at least had him locked up for longer.

So how much do you think Brad Treliving could have signed him for in this economic environment? It seems to me to be about market value for someone of his talents. Not all points per game estimates are the same since goal scoring is worth more than secondary assista and you also pay a premium on centres and players with size.

People seem to be clouded by leaf hate and are gonna have sticker shock when tkachuck signs next year. The cap hell comments are funny too because unless it's caused by signing of old washed up UFAs then guess what? It's probably a good thing your in cap hell by signing your young players who have performed. Guess what's going to happen to the flames after Chucky and Rittich sign and the young d core comes off their ELCs? Not a bad thing.

[shogged]

A lot of money for a guy who is injured half the time