[Signing] Leafs sign Auston Matthews to contract extension (5 yrs, $11.634 mil AAV)

[savemedrzaius]

Players who signed for 5 years after their ELC and the % of Cap at the time:

Kane/Toews: 11.09
Matthews: 14.6
Malkin: 15.34
Crosby: 17.30

I'm OK with this. Fair for both player and team.

[Kybb79]

[QUOTE=savemedrzaius;6977750]Players who signed for 5 years after their ELC and the % of Cap at the time:

Kane/Toews: 11.09
Matthews: 14.6
Malkin: 15.34
Crosby: 17.30

I'm OK with this. Fair for both player and team.[/QUOT Matthews has never surpassed 70 points.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Those players already had Cup when they signed. Matthews has never surpassed 70 points.

Because he plays for the Leafs.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Azure

For the majority of the season he hasn't even been close to the best player on the Leafs.

It doesn't work to just get paid on hype alone. Even Tavares. A career 80 point guy getting that kind of money is NOT a good contract for a team that has a lot of other big contracts to sign.

Its not just "hype".

Since coming into the league he has more goals per game than anyone not named Ovechkin. Scored 40 as a teenager.

He is 4th in team scoring now...and missed 14 games.

He is 21 years old.

He is a franchise player...full stop.

If you want to argue Tavares is the best player on the team, OK but that wont be for long. The sky is the limit for Matthews and if he can stay healthy he will be a fixture on Team USA and all star teams etc for the next decade.

[Homeslice]

So funny - Sportsnet loves Toronto news so much that their NHL home page keeps loading the same Austin Matthews signing no matter how far down you scroll. Toronto news infinity...and beyond!

[flamesforcup]

I think a lot of people here have never watched Matthews play more than one or 2 games. He plays a style very similer to Monahan. He doesn't drive play and relys on positioning to get tap ins and scores from in close only. He is not worth the contract he got its horrendous for Toronto and makes him a UFA at 26. Theres a reason he was so easily shutdown in the playoffs and why he goes cold so much. He is like a centre version of Laine but a bit better.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Players who signed for 5 years after their ELC and the % of Cap at the time:

Kane/Toews: 11.09
Matthews: 14.6
Malkin: 15.34
Crosby: 17.30

I'm OK with this. Fair for both player and team.

The fact that Matthews is closer to Malkin and Crosby (who are both mountains better than him) than Kane/Toews shows how bad the contract is. He isnt on a level close to any of those players.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Players who signed for 5 years after their ELC and the % of Cap at the time:

Kane/Toews: 11.09
Matthews: 14.6
Malkin: 15.34
Crosby: 17.30

I'm OK with this. Fair for both player and team.

Throw a /Tavares and subtract unearned cups and it gets a bit uglier.

Glad you are ok with it because everybody here with Johnny and Monny sub 7 and their linemate Lidstrom coming in at a cap hit under your two guys, for years, makes a lot of people here ok with it too.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Bunk

If the league views this structure with an Average Annual Value of $11.634m, perhaps our tax laws should too. This is very plainly tax evasion!

It's tax avoidance. Also, he's still going to have to pay US federal tax at their highest bracket, less what he pays in Canadian taxes.

[Geeoff]

It occurs to me that Mitch Marner is probably gonna get close to twice as much money as Johnny Gaudreau

[GioforPM]

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Crosby's first contract (after ELC) was:

43.5M/5 years, 8.7M cap hit. That was 17.30% of the cap at the time.

Matthews first contract (after ELC) was:

58.15M/5 years, 11.63M cap hit. That was 14.63% of the cap today.

Crosby still got significant more of the cap after his ELC...

Once again, people fail to see how high the cap has risen. You'll be surprised in 4 years when another star player signs another huge contract when the cap goes up even more thanks to Seattle.

Are you really comparing Matthews contract to the best and most hyped player of this generation? Matthews isnt even close to his league. How about comparing matthews contract to his actual peers like Barkov, Pastarnak, Kucherov etc. Its an overpayment with no term simple.

[Phagoof]

I think Matthews is a 50 goal - 30 Point guy at his best. Nothing to sneez at but he's far from the best in the league IMO. He should be making closer to 9M.

I'd take Kucherov, Gaudreau, Crosby, Malkin, McDavid overhim

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Are you really comparing Matthews contract to the best and most hyped player of this generation? Matthews isnt even close to his league. How about comparing matthews contract to his actual peers like Barkov, Pastarnak, Kucherov etc. Its an overpayment with no term simple.

And just prior to signing that contract Crosby had won the Ross, Hart and Pearson. I don't recall Matthews doing that last year.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Phagoof

I think Matthews is a 50 goal - 30 Point guy at his best.

It'll be interesting to see how he manages to accomplish those numbers...

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

Are you really comparing Matthews contract to the best and most hyped player of this generation? Matthews isnt even close to his league. How about comparing matthews contract to his actual peers like Barkov, Pastarnak, Kucherov etc. Its an overpayment with no term simple.

I think really more to illustrate how much salaries have risen with the cap rising, as percentage.
Iginla's 7M was about 14% of the cap in 2007.
So 11M is the new 7M, I guess?

[GullFoss]

This summer is going to be fascinating. Is this the new world order or is it just Toronto and Edmonton being clowns? I think dubas is inexperienced and it cost the leafs big time. But I guess we will see.

One interesting factor to me is that Marner won't take a discount because Matthews, nylander and tavares didn't really take one. But on the flip side...gio, Monahan, Johnny, Brodie, Hamonic, lindholm and backlund are all at reasonable contracts. Tkachuk could ask for 8 or 9, but then he's going to have to walk into that locker room everyday for the next 4-5 years knowing the set up. It sucks to be the only guy taking a discount. It also sucks being the only guy who didn't take one.

Another one is that contracts that are 3-5 years old still have relevence. So sure you have 5 contracts - drai, eichel, Matthews, Marner, nylander - where teams were boned. But you have 50 other contracts where teams got guys done under reasonable contracts.

It's going to be a fascinating summer.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I think really more to illustrate how much salaries have risen with the cap rising, as percentage.
Iginla's 7M was about 14% of the cap in 2007.
So 11M is the new 7M, I guess?

I don't think you can just scale up, because a team's salary profile has changed over time too. It seems like middling players and second liners take up more overall cap room than they used to. Whether that's smart or not is probably up for debate.

[VladtheImpaler]

With all this math and roster puzzle-solving, you actually have to be smart to run a hockey team these days, unlike days of yore. Of course, the franchise that has not caught on to this and is all-drooler operated is not far from here, but there is a separate thread for that...
The question I have - is there more to Matthews than Tyler Seguin or Steven Stamkos?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

: Matthews has never surpassed 70 points.

He's produced at a 40G pace every year he's been in the league, will have scored 30 in each of his first three seasons, and he plays center.

Again, the Leafs will never regret this contract. Barring debilitating injuries or concussions, Matthews is going to be $11.634M Matthews every day of this contract.

These contracts sewer teams when they ask 30 year old Toews to be 20 year old Toews. When all of a sudden you're paying a $6M guy $10.5M for less results, that's untenable.

At 26, Matthews can extend for eight years, and you can probably expect him to provide value for at least six of them, if not the entire deal.

Term destroys teams.