02-05-2019, 11:40 AM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
From July 1, 2019 to July 1, 2020, Auston Matthews will make $31.1 million
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Auston Matthews year by year breakdown:
Year 1: $15.2M SB, $700K salary.
Year 2: $15.2M SB, $700K salary.
Year 3: $9.7M SB, $750K salary.
Year 4: $7.2M SB, $750K salary.
Year 5: $7.2M SB, $750K salary.
That’s $54.5M in SB, $3.65M in salary.
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I see a new neg point for the next CBA talks.
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02-05-2019, 11:40 AM
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#62
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Looking forward to opening night in 2025 in Scottsdale AZ. grand opening of the Coyotes new arena and their newly signed hometown boy in the starting lineup.
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02-05-2019, 11:41 AM
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#63
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
do they both affect the cap in the same way?
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Yep.
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02-05-2019, 11:41 AM
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#64
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Looking forward to opening night in 2025 in Scottsdale AZ. grand opening of the Coyotes new arena and their newly signed hometown boy in the starting lineup.
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He will be worth more than that franchise by then.
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02-05-2019, 11:42 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
do they both affect the cap in the same way?
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yes, it is the same AAV, but it gives the player money faster and gives more of a guarantee the player gets the money
It is an advantage the big market teams, they can afford to pay the players in these massive lump sum payments.
For smaller teams it would be a struggle, to pay them out without the money coming in through the season.
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02-05-2019, 11:43 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
yes, it is the same AAV, but it gives the player money faster and gives more of a guarantee the player gets the money
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Do players typically take less money, to get more in bonuses?
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02-05-2019, 11:43 AM
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#67
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Looking forward to opening night in 2025 in Scottsdale AZ. grand opening of the Coyotes new arena and their newly signed hometown boy in the starting lineup.
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Preceded a fancy dinner out with the missus at some strip mall one can only presume.
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Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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02-05-2019, 11:44 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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...with each SB payment, CRA takes almost half of it away at once. That's a lot of money. These rich hockey players pay a lot of taxes. Then escrow payments, agent fees etc. etc. etc. I heard they receive less then 25% of the gross pay home.
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02-05-2019, 11:45 AM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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Also, that contract is awful. The wonder kid got taken to the woodshed.
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Originally Posted by MisterJoji
Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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02-05-2019, 11:46 AM
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Franchise Player
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It used to be one of the great advantages of youth is that it helped your salary structure. But what we are increasingly seeing is that guys are cashing once they come off their elc's. As a team, you get 3 years of lower salary for a young player and then that advantage disappears almost overnight.
Eventually this is going to catch up to all teams, and being a veteran UFA will be not nearly so lucrative as it once was. Guys like Neal may have got in under the wire as far as signing big money retirement contracts with term.
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02-05-2019, 11:46 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Matthews and Tavares both play centre, and neither play with each other outside the powerplay.
The Oilers could have depth if they weren't run by fools. The cap is over $80M. Lucic, Spooner and Russell combine to make less than Hall and Eberle. You may not be the deepest team in the league, but you can be something less than embarrassing.
Paying stars in their 20s is not a problem. Paying stars in their 30s like they're in their 20s becomes a big problem very quickly.
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I agree with all this
But McDavid/Drai combined are better than Matthews/JT
McDavid is the best of the bunch by quite a bit despite my hate of the Oilers
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02-05-2019, 11:48 AM
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#72
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Strange Brew
It used to be one of the great advantages of youth is that it helped your salary structure. But what we are increasingly seeing is that guys are cashing once they come off their elc's. As a team, you get 3 years of lower salary for a young player and then that advantage disappears almost overnight.
Eventually this is going to catch up to all teams, and being a veteran UFA will be not nearly so lucrative as it once was. Guys like Neal may have got in under the wire as far as signing big money retirement contracts with term.
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Yes, the 30 year-old guys will be going cup-in-hand, begging for 2 year deals or PTOs. The amount of money available is still the same - it just looks like it will get paid during the 21-27 years now.
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02-05-2019, 11:50 AM
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#73
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainYooh
...with each SB payment, CRA takes almost half of it away at once. That's a lot of money. These rich hockey players pay a lot of taxes. Then escrow payments, agent fees etc. etc. etc. I heard they receive less then 25% of the gross pay home.
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That would be complete hyperbole.
They pay a lot but is all % based so no one is paying more than the next guy unless he is making more.
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02-05-2019, 11:50 AM
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#74
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Scoring Winger
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I'm just going put this out there:
I think that the players and their agents are being shortsighted by trying to grab every penny from the team they can. Look at Crosby's contract - that's a team friendly contract that has helped make the Penguins a very competitive cap era team.
Not all players can take advantage of this, but players like Crosby, McDavid, and Matthews should consider taking less money to help make their teams more competitive and help them win Stanley Cups - I just think that Crosby is making more on sponsorships (McDonald's, Tim Horton's, etc.) because of his championships and smart contract - I think in the long run - Crosby is gong to make more money - greed doesn't always pay off.
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02-05-2019, 11:50 AM
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#75
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
Do players typically take less money, to get more in bonuses?
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I think it is preferable, but I don't think anyone is leaving money on the table to get paid in bonuses.
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02-05-2019, 11:52 AM
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#76
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
I agree with all this
But McDavid/Drai combined are better than Matthews/JT
McDavid is the best of the bunch by quite a bit despite my hate of the Oilers
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He is better than Matthews I will agree...but not by a lot IMO.
Matthews is an extremely good hockey player but his issue looks like it may come down to staying healthy.
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02-05-2019, 11:53 AM
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#77
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nik-
Also, that contract is awful. The wonder kid got taken to the woodshed.
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Why? It's close to McDavid money but unlike McDavid he will be a UFA at 26 and will end up making more money on his 2nd deal.
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02-05-2019, 11:54 AM
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#78
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Right behind you.
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This Matthews deal makes Monahan look like a steal!
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02-05-2019, 11:54 AM
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#79
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nik-
Preceded a fancy dinner out with the missus at some strip mall one can only presume.
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Obviously
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02-05-2019, 11:55 AM
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#80
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why? It's close to McDavid money but unlike McDavid he will be a UFA at 26 and will end up making more money on his 2nd deal.
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Awful from Toronto's perspective.
One UFA year, all SB and insane dollars.
Their GM got run. Marner's getting 10 for sure.
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Johnny eats garbage and isn’t 100% committed.
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