[Rumour] Kypreos: Flames 1st round pick is in play

[Husky]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i was on board with Reeves, as i think he's really a solid player.

however, the reaction after the washington game was perplexing to me... yeah, washington intimidated calgary to the point they needed a last minute PP goal past the backup goalie to win over a calgary team that hasn't played a game in 12 days...?

it sure didn't seem like Calgary was intimidated at all to me... they fought back after getting behind early in the game and fought off a parade to the penalty box to even up the game late in the third after being down 3-1 on the road to the defending SC champs...

Calgary is only 0.5 lbs per person lighter than vegas while pittsburgh is 0.7 lbs heavily than calgary... Calgary is right in the middle 0.7 pounds off from being 15th in the league in weight.

the difference in that game wasn't a "reeves type" player, it was goaltending.

Smith made a ton of great saves.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i was on board with Reeves, as i think he's really a solid player.

however, the reaction after the washington game was perplexing to me... yeah, washington intimidated calgary to the point they needed a last minute PP goal past the backup goalie to win over a calgary team that hasn't played a game in 12 days...?

it sure didn't seem like Calgary was intimidated at all to me... they fought back after getting behind early in the game and fought off a parade to the penalty box to even up the game late in the third after being down 3-1 on the road to the defending SC champs...

Calgary is only 0.5 lbs per person lighter than vegas while pittsburgh is 0.7 lbs heavily than calgary... Calgary is right in the middle 0.7 pounds off from being 15th in the league in weight.

the difference in that game wasn't a "reeves type" player, it was goaltending.

I agree with your first half. And I totally disagree with your second half.

Using cute little zero point whatever pounds per player stats doesn’t tell the whole story. We could have 20 Johnnys and 1 Reaves and still be “bigger” then a team with say 21 Jankowskis. It’s not even the size of a player. We need bulldogs. Guys like Bennett and Hamonic have shown they are willing to step up but I doubt any teams go into a game fearing either of those two. We carry dead weight like Prout and Peluso because having a guy who can play but is also known as a tough guy are ultra valuable. Look to the kind of contract Wilson got its because having someone who does both is a rarity.

Simmonds to me is someone I could see coming over and really reigniting the player he was. I don’t think he’s happy in Philly and I don’t think he’s be as expensive to acquire as some people think. He’s the kind of guy who can police the ice and he’s able to slot on any line on your team and not look out of place.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

. Look to the kind of contract Wilson got its because having someone who does both is a rarity.

Wilson isn't feared as a tough guy. He's "feared" as a reckless headhunter.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I agree with your first half. And I totally disagree with your second half.

Using cute little zero point whatever pounds per player stats doesn’t tell the whole story. We could have 20 Johnnys and 1 Reaves and still be “bigger” then a team with say 21 Jankowskis. It’s not even the size of a player. We need bulldogs. Guys like Bennett and Hamonic have shown they are willing to step up but I doubt any teams go into a game fearing either of those two. We carry dead weight like Prout and Peluso because having a guy who can play but is also known as a tough guy are ultra valuable. Look to the kind of contract Wilson got its because having someone who does both is a rarity.

Simmonds to me is someone I could see coming over and really reigniting the player he was. I don’t think he’s happy in Philly and I don’t think he’s be as expensive to acquire as some people think. He’s the kind of guy who can police the ice and he’s able to slot on any line on your team and not look out of place.

By cute numbers I presume you mean the stats... not actually my numbers: they are drawn from the teams and compiled in that Athletic article I linked.

Like I said, I was on board with Reaves when they offered him, so I am not against adding a guy like him.... however they didn't lose the games versus the caps because they were intimidated

[Kybb79]

We need to draft our own Reaves type player. Too bad we don't have Engelland and Ferland anymore. This team needs more toughness if they wanna win the Cup.

[Calgary_81]

Originally Posted by browna

It’s also a subtle reminder from sureloss that Kypreos often likes to hear the sound of his own voice to sound important at the best of times, but people get hyper sensitive to any talking heads saying anything, no matter how casually or as pure personal conjecture, this time of year.

I watched that segment, and Kyperos was just spit-balling when he mentioned the flames. He just assumed being a top team in the West automatically equals first round pick in play.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

By cute numbers I presume you mean the stats... not actually my numbers: they are drawn from the teams and compiled in that Athletic article I linked.

Like I said, I was on board with Reaves when they offered him, so I am not against adding a guy like him.... however they didn't lose the games versus the caps because they were intimidated

I don’t think you get my point. If we have a bunch of Colbornes we are the statistically bigger team yes. But that’s not what people mean by getting bigger. Also by using averages it kind of overlooks say a team like Boston who has one guy like Chara who probably brings up the average height half an inch alone. So it doesn’t really tell the full story.

And in response to someone else who quoted me, yes, Wilson is feared. I understand people here hate him and what not but every team knows they are facing him when they play him and they act different.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

We need to draft our own Reaves type player. Too bad we don't have Engelland and Ferland anymore. This team needs more toughness if they wanna win the Cup.

Trade our 1st for Ferland. Theres even a possibility to re-sign him in offseason.

That makes the original trade;

Hamilton
Late 1st
Fox

for

Hanifin
Lindholm

Gives us much needed toughness and skill in the bottom/middle six for playoffs. Not sure if Flames will need to add a prospect to this, just not Dube/Kilington/Andersson/Valimaki.

[868904]

I love Ferly but he’s not going to fight or deter a Wilson or Lucic or Reaves. He never has and he never will.

Simmonds on the other hand has no problem fighting those guys to send a message.

[getoverit]

no rentals and especially this guy cant stay healthy and were not going to resign him. lets move on from Ferly already

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Trade our 1st for Ferland. Theres even a possibility to re-sign him in offseason.

That makes the original trade;

Hamilton
Late 1st
Fox

for

Hanifin
Lindholm

Gives us much needed toughness and skill in the bottom/middle six for playoffs. Not sure if Flames will need to add a prospect to this, just not Dube/Kilington/Andersson/Valimaki.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Trade our 1st for Ferland. Theres even a possibility to re-sign him in offseason.

That makes the original trade;

Hamilton
Late 1st
Fox

for

Hanifin
Lindholm

Gives us much needed toughness and skill in the bottom/middle six for playoffs. Not sure if Flames will need to add a prospect to this, just not Dube/Kilington/Andersson/Valimaki.

The Neal contract almost makes it impossible to sign Ferland. As much as i want him back i wouldn't trade the 1st for a rental.

[GreenLantern]

Windows open and windows close, when you've got one I think you take your shot. This is the best team the Flames have iced since the late 80s/early 90s.. this is a year worth taking a shot.

[troutman]

Rasmus should be untouchable. Top 4 and assistant captain material.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I don’t think you get my point. If we have a bunch of Colbornes we are the statistically bigger team yes. But that’s not what people mean by getting bigger. Also by using averages it kind of overlooks say a team like Boston who has one guy like Chara who probably brings up the average height half an inch alone. So it doesn’t really tell the full story.

And in response to someone else who quoted me, yes, Wilson is feared. I understand people here hate him and what not but every team knows they are facing him when they play him and they act different.

like i said, i wanted a guy like Reaves before the season even started, and would have been thrilled if they had landed him

just found the reaction to the washington game overblown...especially as Calgary fought its way back into that game despite being down 3-1 on the road...

that's the opposite of being intimidated imo....people talk like Washington was running them out of the barn. This team is pretty resilient imo even against bigger teams that play heavier games

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

The Neal contract almost makes it impossible to sign Ferland. As much as i want him back i wouldn't trade the 1st for a rental.

Moving Frolik, Stone, and Ryan in offseason (Ryan might be difficult) would free up about 11 Million plus about 15.5M Flames would already have from other contracts expiring.

Would be about 26.5M to sign Tkachuk, Rittich, Ferland, Bennett, and about 4 more players.

It's doable.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Moving Frolik, Stone, and Ryan in offseason (Ryan might be difficult) would free up about 11 Million plus about 15.5M Flames would already have from other contracts expiring.

Would be about 26.5M to sign Tkachuk, Rittich, Ferland, Bennett, and about 4 more players.

It's doable.

Just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Trading Frolik, Stone and Ryan to sign Ferland? That’s brutal asset management.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

like i said, i wanted a guy like Reaves before the season even started, and would have been thrilled if they had landed him

just found the reaction to the washington game overblown...especially as Calgary fought its way back into that game despite being down 3-1 on the road...

that's the opposite of being intimidated imo....people talk like Washington was running them out of the barn. This team is pretty resilient imo even against bigger teams that play heavier games

Think we are basically agreeing. I don’t think the reason Calgary lost the game was because they were intimidated. However, I do think that the game exposed a weakness. And if we play to stay contenders and not become pretenders I personally would like to see us add someone who can play big minutes and can fight and dish out hits. In the playoffs when it’s do or die teams like ours get exposed as we don’t have enough physical pushback and get pummeled. Regular season is a long stretch and guys aren’t as willing to lay it all on the line as they are when it’s playoffs. Adding someone to raise our intensity level should be a no brainer.

[AC]

nm

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Trading Frolik, Stone and Ryan to sign Ferland? That’s brutal asset management.

Going to have to move some of them to sign Tkachuk, Bennett, and Rittich anyway. And how is moving Frolik, Stone, and Ryan to free up 11M bad asset management? Who would you move out to free up space?

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Think we are basically agreeing. I don’t think the reason Calgary lost the game was because they were intimidated. However, I do think that the game exposed a weakness. And if we play to stay contenders and not become pretenders I personally would like to see us add someone who can play big minutes and can fight and dish out hits. In the playoffs when it’s do or die teams like ours get exposed as we don’t have enough physical pushback and get pummeled. Regular season is a long stretch and guys aren’t as willing to lay it all on the line as they are when it’s playoffs. Adding someone to raise our intensity level should be a no brainer.

Agreed.