Mike Smith's... woes? He blows? Eating crows? Who knows! (Also David Rittich exists!)

[Red]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The most he's ever played is 48 games in his entire pro career.
You don't want him to burn out for the playoffs in a desperate attempt to get a slightly higher seed.
And saying that its more important to "keep losing games with Smith" complete ignores the fact that they are winning more games with him than they are losing.

Huge difference between 1st and 2nd in the 1st round seeding. Play your best players or rest Rittich in to a first round matchup against a Sharks team or LV.
I know what choice I would make.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The most he's ever played is 48 games in his entire pro career.
You don't want him to burn out for the playoffs in a desperate attempt to get a slightly higher seed.
And saying that its more important to "keep losing games with Smith" complete ignores the fact that they are winning more games with him than they are losing.

Kipper went from 38 to 74 in one year.

Smith last 7 is 3-3-0 with a no decision and let in 4+ in 4 out of 7. We are getting a lot of mileage out of the 6 game win streak, but when the team requires the goaltender to contribute, he seems to come up short.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is silly. You know that the goalie isn’t generally physically fighting against resistance to claim his space, getting body checked, or doing the equivalent of outright sprinting every shift, right? There is sometimes sustained pressure in the zone, that gets the heart rate up, but often the puck comes down in the zone and exits without the goalie having to exert himself too much.

You know that beyond a lot of time standing around, there are TV timeouts and intermissions, right?

Good god, think of the mental fatigue the players get with the coaches in their ears and the iPads on the bench. I bet they just wish they could have some quiet time down in the crease.

I don’t get how guys like you are trying to make goaltending some monumental physical challenge that it really isn’t.

That anybody thanks garbage like that is laughable.

That you are so arrogant that you seem to be ignoring what appear to be widely held approaches to goaltending, all way somehow thinking that the fact that an NHL player has to play the entire game should be discounted, is more what is laughable

Yup you know more than NHL clubs because you played some beer hockey.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That you are so arrogant that you seem to be ignoring what appear to be widely held approaches to goaltending, all way somehow thinking that the fact that an NHL player has to play the entire game should be discounted, is more what is laughable

Yup you know more than NHL clubs because you played some beer hockey.

No need for name calling, you’re better than that.

I fully acknowledge that most goalies do play no more than 55-60. I say it’s because of needing to have 2 goalies ready for NHL action, right?

People argue that you can’t play a goalie more than that due to fatigue. Then point to the fact that most goalies play no more than 55-60 as evidence. And say ‘see?’

That’s not evidence of fatigue being an issue, it’s evidence that you need two goalies.

For a place where people can get very pedantic and treat hyperbolic statements as factual statements to be disputed, I would think that nuance would be appreciated.

If you want to call me something, how about ‘black kettle’? :-)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Kipper went from 38 to 74 in one year.

Kiprusoff did it! This means that everyone can do it!

Smith last 7 is 3-3-0 with a no decision and let in 4+ in 4 out of 7. We are getting a lot of mileage out of the 6 game win streak, but when the team requires the goaltender to contribute, he seems to come up short.

At the end of November and beginning of December Rittich was in a bit of a funk, and Mike Smith notched six straight wins while he worked through it. The Flames needed wins, and Mike Smith came through.



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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No need for name calling, you’re better than that.

I fully acknowledge that most goalies do play no more than 55-60. I say it’s because of needing to have 2 goalies ready for NHL action, right?

People argue that you can’t play a goalie more than that due to fatigue. Then point to the fact that most goalies play no more than 55-60 as evidence. And say ‘see?’

That’s not evidence of fatigue being an issue, it’s evidence that you need two goalies.

For a place where people can get very pedantic and treat hyperbolic statements as factual statements to be disputed, I would think that nuance would be appreciated.

If you want to call me something, how about ‘black kettle’? :-)

I don't believe I called you a name.
I described your position as arrogant, which I find it to be.
And I've tried to discuss nuance in this. Nowhere have I stated that a specific raw number is required - but rather I've spoken more about the YoY increase in workload.
A singular example (Kipper) doesn't mean everyone can do it.
As discussed earlier its about risk management. And the risk of burning BSD out to me is more important to manage.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't believe I called you a name.
I described your position as arrogant, which I find it to be.
And I've tried to discuss nuance in this. Nowhere have I stated that a specific raw number is required - but rather I've spoken more about the YoY increase in workload.
A singular example (Kipper) doesn't mean everyone can do it.
As discussed earlier its about risk management. And the risk of burning BSD out to me is more important to manage.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That you are so arrogant that you seem to be ignoring what appear to be widely held approaches to goaltending, all way somehow thinking that the fact that an NHL player has to play the entire game should be discounted, is more what is laughable

Yup you know more than NHL clubs because you played some beer hockey.

We agree that it is about risk management.

And fatigue and burnout to me is not the primary risk.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't believe I called you a name.
I described your position as arrogant, which I find it to be.
And I've tried to discuss nuance in this. Nowhere have I stated that a specific raw number is required - but rather I've spoken more about the YoY increase in workload.
A singular example (Kipper) doesn't mean everyone can do it.
As discussed earlier its about risk management. And the risk of burning BSD out to me is more important to manage.

Actually you did call him arrogant, which is incredibly rich.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This is silly. You know that the goalie isn’t generally physically fighting against resistance to claim his space, getting body checked, or doing the equivalent of outright sprinting every shift, right? There is sometimes sustained pressure in the zone, that gets the heart rate up, but often the puck comes down in the zone and exits without the goalie having to exert himself too much.

You know that beyond a lot of time standing around, there are TV timeouts and intermissions, right?

Good god, think of the mental fatigue the players get with the coaches in their ears and the iPads on the bench. I bet they just wish they could have some quiet time down in the crease.

I don’t get how guys like you are trying to make goaltending some monumental physical challenge that it really isn’t.

That anybody thanks garbage like that is laughable.

It's quite embarrassing on how unbelievably biased your views are. Talking as if your beer league experience makes you understand the life of an NHL is the true laughable moment in your comments.

Goaltending is monumental challenge that is more than just physical. You downplay the skill, talent, mental and emotional stability, athleticism and strength a goalie requires to be a goalie in this league.

There is a reason why one of the most difficult tasks is to be an NHL goaltender. But hey, you've played beer league goalie so you totally get it lol

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Actually you did call him arrogant, which is incredibly rich.

Indeed I did. Should have worded it differently

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ haha. (Two posts up) You looking for the opinion of the guy who has played both goalie and out in the NHL? He or she would be the authority you are looking for, and you won’t find that person on CP. You know, or on Earth.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Indeed I did. Should have worded it differently

Implied apology accepted. Haha.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Huge difference between 1st and 2nd in the 1st round seeding. Play your best players or rest Rittich in to a first round matchup against a Sharks team or LV.
I know what choice I would make.

People are complaining that Smith has cost first place in the league, not in the Pacific. Which only makes a difference in the finals. I don't see any sign that Rittich is going to be rested so much that it costs the Flames first place in the west. It hasn't happened so far.

[Iggy Snipe]

Playing Rittich a minimum of 20 out of the last 30 games (hopefully closer to 25), is essential for the Flames to finish in a top seed for home ice in the playoffs, which is a big deal.

This will give David Rittich the stamina and confidence he will require come playoff time. If Rittich isn't playing every other night, how is going to do it in the playoffs?

The talk of "burning out" Rittich is ridiculous. The guy has roughly 30 starts to his name right now. I understand that he has never played this much before. This is exactly why he needs to play more. Calgary can't be worried about him fatiguing and burning out, because if we are thinking Rittich is our guy, then he needs to play more. You can't baby him during the season and then expect him to shine in the playoffs when they are playing every other night. Sport does not work that way. The more repetitions the better.

Rittich should start every game except for back to backs , for the rest of the season.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ haha. (Two posts up) You looking for the opinion of the guy who has played both goalie and out in the NHL? He or she would be the authority you are looking for, and you won’t find that person on CP. You know, or on Earth.

No, I'm just refuting the fact that you think your opinion is better than everyone else's and that your points are right because you play beer league goalie. Claiming that goalies don't get tired playing in the NHL and should be ran for an entire season is just ridiculous and hilarious lol

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Iggy Snipe

Playing Rittich a minimum of 20 out of the last 30 games (hopefully closer to 25), is essential for the Flames to finish in a top seed for home ice in the playoffs, which is a big deal...

No, it is not essential. Everything that has transpired in the Flames season to date would indicate that the Flames can continue at the same pace with both goalies playing the current workload.




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[Resolute 14]

For that to work, the Flames would have to continue to outscore Mike Smith's inadequacy nearly every night he starts. Because that's the only way we're going to win with a guy who's allowed less than three goals exactly once in the last seven weeks.

[icecube]

Canes beat the Flames today if Smith was in net. No doubt in my mind.

[haiku]

Originally Posted by icecube

Canes beat the Flames today if Smith was in net. No doubt in my mind.

no doubt any mind
jiri; no arrogance here
rittich in? flames win!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yup let’s start blaming him for theoritical losses in games he didn’t even play