Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[schteve_d]

Just had to share this from HF Oilers!

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Oh boy, guess we know the sequel to OilChange...#WATERCHANGE

[HockeyPuck]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

There is so much more gold in that interview.

- Lowe apparently making a speech to the team using JFK’s quote (it’s not what your country does for you, but what you do for your country) & totally bungling it up.
- Lowe taking Penner our for supper prior to his 2nd season and telling him that they see him as a young Bob Probert... HAHAHA. He was like... “uhm do you know who you signed?”
- Some girl working at a grocery till in EDM telling Penner she’s the only one in her house that doesn’t hate him.
- He scored 30 goals for those ingrates and they relentlessly booed him.

The interesting part is how they explained the post Oiler bump. It’s one of the hardest places to play, so every where else is easier on a player.

He seems like a likeable guy. I thought it was hilarious that he likened his time in Edmonton as a prison sentence when he says he "got out on good behaviour" and went to the Kings.

So much good stuff in that interview about Edmonton and their fans (none of it surprising).

At the end I kind of felt bad for him at the end of the interview but not too bad for someone who made millions...

[Firebot]

Nothing to see here folks. Chia the cause of all problems in Oilers land and who spiked the water is gone. Keith Gretzky is in control and the Oilers are in good hands to right the ship, and the OBC are not in control of anythin-

https://twitter.com/user/status/1091136711667654656

Oh. Oilers forums losing it a little bit. And of course to add salt to the water the team being scouted is Boston.

[Atodaso]

"It was nice to get out early on good behavior from up there and head down to LA."

- Dustin Penner, Spittin' Chiclets on the trade from Edmonton.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

"It was nice to get out early on good behavior from up there and head down to LA."

- Dustin Penner, Spittin' Chiclets on the trade from Edmonton.

Also, him being compared to bob probert by Kevin lowe, lol. 'Do you even know who you offer sheeted?'

[thymebalm]

So, now that Chiarelli has bit the dust, what are we going to name Edmonton Is No Good VII?

My first thought is "Only comedies and horror stories have six sequels."

Because the Oilers are both.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

So, now that Chiarelli has bit the dust, what are we going to name Edmonton Is No Good VII?

My first thought is "Only comedies and horror stories have six sequels."

Because the Oilers are both.

The edition stays the same until it hits the 10,000 replies mark.

Are not the Oilers impacted by the Chiarelli era?

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The edition stays the same until it hits the 10,000 replies mark.

Are not the Oilers impacted by the Chiarelli era?

That's really sad that Chiarelli couldn't last 10,000 posts. Sad in that sad for them happy for me chiadenfreude kind of way.

[goflamesgo18]

Just looking at Oilers on Capfriendly. They do not have one single good Value contract. Not one.

Flames have plenty;
Monahan
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Backlund
Brodie
Giordano
Hanifin
Hamonic
Rittich

and to a lesser extent Janko and Bennett, as well as some great entry level contract players like Tkachuk, Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson, (Oilers don't have any of these either)

My god that is a pile of #### team.

[Heavy Jack]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha ^^^

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

That's really sad that Chiarelli couldn't last 10,000 posts. Sad in that sad for them happy for me chiadenfreude kind of way.

I coined it so I have a stake in its continued glory. Full disclosure.

[crapshoot]

Chicago only 2 pts back on the Oilers. Second last place in the conference is within striking distance!

[Fuzz]

I thought we usually waited until the start of the season before making a new E=NG thread...

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Just looking at Oilers on Capfriendly. They do not have one single good Value contract. Not one.

Flames have plenty;
Monahan
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Backlund
Brodie
Giordano
Hanifin
Hamonic
Rittich

and to a lesser extent Janko and Bennett, as well as some great entry level contract players like Tkachuk, Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson, (Oilers don't have any of these either)

My god that is a pile of #### team.

You have to ask yourself why? Why does Chia throw around money like it was nothing. The answer is quite obvious for anyone looking and analyzing him - it's not his money and he has a big shot complex - he wants to appear like the big guy, the big deal in the room - and these guys are so easy to spot and so easy to take advantage of.


The other issue is Katz himself - how many people in Calgary or on here really talk about our owners (Edwards / Markin etal.) - I mean, we do when they are integral to the topic, but other than that, we don't really. So an Edmonton fan (colleague) was talking about how Katz should hire Yzerman to be the next GM... I laughed and said that I don't think Yzerman would be interested - he scoffed at me, "Do you know how much money Katz has? He would just pay him enough to make him come." - this is the attitude in Edmonton... this is the poison that runs through that organization and fanbase. It's "Katz this" and "Katz that"... it's "McDavid this" and "McDavid that"... it's "generational talent this" and "everyone wants to play with him that"... it's really screwed up.


Now... Katz looks a bit greasy to me, I would think that a billionaire would come off a bit more sophisticated - but hey, I'm not holding that against him (ok - maybe I am)... but I don't think he's a dummy, he is a billionaire after all, and I don't think he got that way by throwing away his money, especially in the early days of building his fortune.



So... Katz has all his management in the Oilers organization thinking money is no object, thinking it's just available like water, and throwing it around at players and coaches like it's nothing - and in the cap era, that is very deadly as we can all see. The Oilers are OVER the cap, but for their LTIR relief, they'd be forced to change their roster substantially to get under that limit - and they might still have to when Sekera comes back - and with all this money spent, what do they have as an on ice product - NOT VERY MUCH. It's very hard to move pieces around when they are over-priced, we've all been in stores that are overpriced, and we leave with NOTHING. What GM would take Lucic for 6 million per, not very many (NONE), how many would take him for 2.5 to 3 million - I could argue that every team fighting for the cup this year would consider it.


I haven't seen so much money buy so little - that's your Edmonton Oilers folks in a nutshell.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

You have to ask yourself why? Why does Chia throw around money like it was nothing. The answer is quite obvious for anyone looking and analyzing him - it's not his money and he has a big shot complex - he wants to appear like the big guy, the big deal in the room - and these guys are so easy to spot and so easy to take advantage of.


The other issue is Katz himself - how many people in Calgary or on here really talk about our owners (Edwards / Markin etal.) - I mean, we do when they are integral to the topic, but other than that, we don't really. So an Edmonton fan (colleague) was talking about how Katz should hire Yzerman to be the next GM... I laughed and said that I don't think Yzerman would be interested - he scoffed at me, "Do you know how much money Katz has? He would just pay him enough to make him come." - this is the attitude in Edmonton... this is the poison that runs through that organization and fanbase. It's "Katz this" and "Katz that"... it's "McDavid this" and "McDavid that"... it's "generational talent this" and "everyone wants to play with him that"... it's really screwed up.


Now... Katz looks a bit greasy to me, I would think that a billionaire would come off a bit more sophisticated - but hey, I'm not holding that against him (ok - maybe I am)... but I don't think he's a dummy, he is a billionaire after all, and I don't think he got that way by throwing away his money, especially in the early days of building his fortune.



So... Katz has all his management in the Oilers organization thinking money is no object, thinking it's just available like water, and throwing it around at players and coaches like it's nothing - and in the cap era, that is very deadly as we can all see. The Oilers are OVER the cap, but for their LTIR relief, they'd be forced to change their roster substantially to get under that limit - and they might still have to when Sekera comes back - and with all this money spent, what do they have as an on ice product - NOT VERY MUCH. It's very hard to move pieces around when they are over-priced, we've all been in stores that are overpriced, and we leave with NOTHING. What GM would take Lucic for 6 million per, not very many (NONE), how many would take him for 2.5 to 3 million - I could argue that every team fighting for the cup this year would consider it.


I haven't seen so much money buy so little - that's your Edmonton Oilers folks in a nutshell.

Can't argue with this. Gotta think every player (RFA or UFA) has his agent playing hardball with Oilers management. Using the city itself and the fact that the team has been horrible for over a decade as a main negotiating point. This making it impossible to sign anyone to a decent contract.

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I am really hope Philly's first shot on net goes in.

[1991 Canadian]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Just looking at Oilers on Capfriendly. They do not have one single good Value contract. Not one.

Flames have plenty;
Monahan
Gaudreau
Lindholm
Backlund
Brodie
Giordano
Hanifin
Hamonic
Rittich

and to a lesser extent Janko and Bennett, as well as some great entry level contract players like Tkachuk, Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson, (Oilers don't have any of these either)

My god that is a pile of #### team.

That really is the crux of the issue in Edmonton. They have very few draft picks and signings that punch above their weight class. There is almost no value on that roster. In a cap constrained league you need guys to outperform their deals to be able to compete.

Long term, this will continue to have a parasitic effect on the cumulative value of the franchise.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

That really is the crux of the issue in Edmonton. They have very few draft picks and signings that punch above their weight class. There is almost no value on that roster. In a cap constrained league you need guys to outperform their deals to be able to compete.

Long term, this will continue to have a parasitic effect on the cumulative value of the franchise.

So to you....



current perceived value of a player - compensation paid (cap hit) = value of the contract


I think it's an interesting idea and great point, and I think this is what we are all do without thinking about what we are actually doing. I would like to go through all the contracts and value them in this way.


For example:


Lindholm: 6.5 million - 4.85 million = 1.65
Tkachuk: 7 million - 0.925 = 6.08


McDavid: 11.0 million - 12.5 million = (1.5)
Lucic: 2 million - 6 million = (4)
RNH: 6 million - 6 million = 0



Then you add them all up for a team, 0 would be consider the middle or neutral, negative would be bad and positive would be good. Do the best teams have the highest number? Of course the true value is so subjective - that's a problem. Do this with past teams - is there any indication that this can predict future success or of Stanley Cup wins?

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

They have very few draft picks and signings that punch above their weight class.

I wonder why...



first off, as I stated in a previous post, they all want to appear as big shots and use someone else's money to overpay - got that.


secondly, they get exactly the same number of "draft picks" as every other team does, so they are managing them wrong is your real point. They don't pick the right players sometimes and with the ones they do pick, they don't develop those players properly is the issue.



What a mess... some hard choices need to be made... I don't see a way to keep McDavid around while you make them over the several years it's going to take - unless McDavid is brainwashed or a complete idiot, which is a possibility I guess.



Walk McDavid, walk.... the sooner you do, the better it will be for you. Like someone on here pointed out... the Oilers like to tar and feather everyone that leaves Edmonton - and that some planning and time is required to sour the public on McDavid first - to villainize him - but if he leaves now, he may be able to stop them from being able to do that.

[browna]

Let’s get back to campaigning for Pierre to head to Edmonton.
A story from 5 years ago, where it says that Pierre wanted 5 and Pens wanted 3.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nh...184235346.html

[JonDuke]

Double post