Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[WinnipegFan]

Vote: Scornfire

[Scornfire]

Feel free to give some reasoning as to why Eoj was a bad vote yesterday given how things went

Don't feel like addressing your lie I guess, whatever. Just leave your vote on me and skirt discussion for another full day

[devo22]

going 3 for 3 would have been amazing. Too bad it didn't work. Losing Fuzz sucks ... he was an obvious target, given that he was the only confirmed Flames fan.

need to get some dialogue going today and work together towards a vote that makes sense. Not sure the catfight between WinnipegFan and Scornfire helps us in any way.

[Hockeyguy15]

I don' think Fuzz as the night ban gives us much to go on, so I'm going to go back and revisit my belief that the 3rd Oiler was a new player and voted Bonded to get some early Flames fan credit.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I don' think Fuzz as the night ban gives us much to go on, so I'm going to go back and revisit my belief that the 3rd Oiler was a new player and voted Bonded to get some early Flames fan credit.

So you think the Oilers decided to help vote one of their own out on Day 1? I mean it would be a great long game strategy, but I just don't buy it.

The fuzz ban sort of makes sense as he was pretty much confirmed Flames fan - taking him out as numbers dwindle make sense. I'll go back and see who he was gunning for as that info might be helpful.

I still think SebC is an Oiler. What I laid out yesterday still holds He was also the second vote on EOJ which would be good strategy - get the vote rolling a bit on a Flames fan and then lay low as a bunch of Flames fan bicker at each other.

Winnipeg is a tough read, but I still think he's Flames fan. His votes sometimes feel a bit rash and emotional, and he's come out swinging here today. I don't really think he should be the focus today.

As a heads up, I'm on mobile all Mafia day as I'm on a weekend trip - so my posts will likely be a bit shorter as typing takes forever on my phone.

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[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

So you think the Oilers decided to help vote one of their own out on Day 1? I mean it would be a great long game strategy, but I just don't buy it.

Possibly, yes. That's why I am going back and looking at it.

Post 201 when GGG says this (sorry it won't let me quote the post for some reason?) Bonded wasn't on the radar yet, so it makes me wonder if both people he was with were new.

If this was one of your first posts I would read it as new town. Two things concern me I don’t think you have said if you are a new player or not and that this frustration is coming out on the 3rd day of posting instead of earlier leads me to think it could be coached.

I’m sorry I’m probably one of the annoying posters on your list. That said I don’t think we should lynch a new player on day 1. If a new player is in the trolls it will become obvious in time.

Also hang in there the game makes more sense on day 2.

[WinnipegFan]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

Feel free to give some reasoning as to why Eoj was a bad vote yesterday given how things went

Don't feel like addressing your lie I guess, whatever. Just leave your vote on me and skirt discussion for another full day

I already gave my reason, you were the first vote on eoj, a number of people have lain out compelling arguments that put you as the main suspect, after the unfortunate voting out of a town member you immediately jump on and try to quickly justify your decision, then deflect the direction to me, focusing on 2 things I took my vote of GGG and I stated I believed him, then I put it back after fuzz revealed, and I wasn't the vote that established hammer, it was already done before I unvoiced. You are acting like a guilty oilers fan. I don't need to quote a bunch of posts to establish your guilt, your current behaviour simply reinforces it. Thus, I vote for you again because I fully believe you are guilty.

Cue your angry name calling posts about how I am the worst player ever, even though it is my first game and am learning, and your hyper-aggressive defensiveness. All of which further point you out as a guilty Oilers scumbag.

[Scornfire]

I'm on basically all day. Like I mentioned, I'll be looking at everyone today if time permits, don't think I'll be going to Calgary at this point given the snow, you're just the simplest recap because you've posted nothing of substance, don't even need need to go back through your post history because there's nothing there. Your read is bad and poorly argued, and I find it annoying, end of discussion

[devo22]

I'm heavily leaning towards SebC as well.

For starters, let's assume that a.) the Oilers didn't vote in a block on day 1 and b.) didn't vote for one of their own. I think both are reasonable assumptions, although I think b.) is a lot stronger than a.) because a loss of an Oiler on day 1 is a terrible start for them. But looking at those two things, that leaves the Scornfire voters as possible culprits: Hockeyguy15, SebC and myself (bizaro86 obviously being nightkilled already).

On day 2, both myself and Hockeyguy15 were firmly on the GGG train. SebC voted for him too, but unvoted when I voiced my concern about setting up hammer early. It's a convenient moment for him to jump off the train (443) and try to exonerate GGG (449) and shift blame somewhere else - which he does in 461, where he goes after crazy_eoj. But it gains no traction and GGG is lynched. Having voted for him before unvoting gives SebC a bit of town cred, but again he ends up without a vote on an Oiler. On day 3, he rides the crazy_eoj train again hard (595).

so at the end of the day, he is, I believe, the only player who neither ended up voting for one of the Oilers, but was firmly on the train for the one Flames fan that has been lynched. Not a good look. I know he's a good player who usually thinks a few steps ahead, but we're not playing 4D chess here and it's hard to ignore all those things.

[WinnipegFan]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

I'm on basically all day. Like I mentioned, I'll be looking at everyone today if time permits, don't think I'll be going to Calgary at this point given the snow, you're just the simplest recap because you've posted nothing of substance, don't even need need to go back through your post history because there's nothing there. Your read is bad and poorly argued, and I find it annoying, end of discussion

So he simply gets to chose to ignore it because his standard response was painted as unacceptable. Further guilty behaviour, slightly gentler name calling, and dismissive deflection of the accusation. You are right my posting had all been decisive and town orientated, hence your inability to quote it for support. He is Oiler, he started the only vote we have that hung a townie, he needs to hang.

[mrkajz44]

Devo - fully agree. That matches exactly my thinking but no one seemed as interested in SebC yesterday. My vote goes there now.

Also, it would be helpful if Winnipeg and Scorn stopped there one v one and try to contribute a bit more on other players. We all clearly know your views on each other, and I think its allowing an Oiler to just lay low (I personally think they both lean Flames right now).

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[mrkajz44]

Vote: SebC

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[Scornfire]

I'm about 1/4 through a synopsis post, But I'm having a really hard time finding anything suspicious from most players. I'm doing my best to just ignore WF going forward,

[Hockeyguy15]

Agulati, dissentowner, fuzz vote for Bonded. GGG says this in post #275 but then votes for agulati.

When I say You are seeing what you want to see what I mean is that I think you could make just as good of case for Scorn as you could for Bonded right now. The more I read the sequence though it’s Agulati that’s the suspicious one here. He is sitting at 3 votes and jumps on your post to keep himself alive.

If he could make a good case against Scornfire then why not make it and vote for him? At that point me, Seb, devo and bizaro have votes on him. Instead he keeps down the dissentowner/agulati path and ties up the vote 4-4 and 3 on Bonded. He then reminds everyone hammer is 7 and be careful because there are 4 votes on agulati and 3 on Bonded, forgetting the 4 on Scornfire.

Then DropIt is gone for most of the day and shows up to say he has a theory he will post #320 comes back and says in post #339 that it wasn’t great and more a lack of body of work. Then in post #340 says.

Also if we are voting now, the one I get the worst vibe from would be Bonded or Scorn. I think Diss brings up a good point and seems like Bonded has treaded lightly around since it being brought up, and still has yet to fo so. So that's probably where my vote is going

Justifies his vote on Bonded because dissentowner made good points, but doesn’t expand on it.

Scornfire in post #347 says.

I think I'll vote Bonded just because Agulati seems to provide a little more insight/activity. Still don't think either of them are trolls

Both have little reason for their vote, but it’s day 1 so that isn’t unheard of. DropIt’s seems more Oiler like to me because of the justification from dissentowner’s reasoning.

Day 2 GGG has his first post #383 and says.

With only 3 trolls in the game I don’t think they go on the bonded wagon especially the way it formed. Diss wouldn’t lead off lynching his guy and defend it to the end though there is an outside chance the proxy troll could do this if he thought the few posts by bonded were going to be noticed and wanted solid town cred. This shouldn’t be explored until endgame.

It’s a weird statement to me because I don’t think that anyone’s first thought at that point was going to be that an Oiler voted for their own on day 1. It really comes off as trying to buy the last Oiler time. He also says in that post.

Agulati I’m less sure on I think there is a scenario where he just wants to be on an early wagon on his own guy. The next 3 all had options to push a different direction without suspicion so likely aren’t scum. Scorn at the end has to chose between Agulati and Bonded chooses to keep Agulait based on experience. In this position if Scorn and Bonded are both scum it might make sense to cut their losses and have Scorn vote out Bonded as in that scenario they would both be targets the following day if they didn’t. It would also make sense that Scorn waited so long to place his vote. This works especially well if he is the proxy troll. However I don’t think we go there today.

He lumps in DropIt with 2 other people. He then explores the idea of Scornfire being the proxy even though he just said it shouldn’t be explored until later and then says again to not go there today. To me this seems like GGG is trying to hide DropIt and plant a seed of doubt on Scornfire.

Post #412 from Scornfire looks pretty Flames like to me. Even though he doesn’t put a vote on GGG at that moment I like his thought process on it.

Post #428 DropIt stops by to say good work and he will come back after doing some reading.

Post #454 he comes back and again complements dissentowner for putting the GGG thing together. He then discusses the night kill, and says because Scornfire and agulati aren’t on the radar he is going to turn his attention mrkajz even though he says the GGG thing makes a lot of sense. It seems like he is trying to take some heat off GGG with this post.

Post #456 he names crazy_eoj as being suspicious, post #457 and #458 GGG votes for crazy_eoj.

Day 1 and 2 to me DropIt has been under the radar and not doing a whole bunch of investigating.

I will try to get into day 3 at some point today since I’m not going to be available tomorrow. But after looking at day 1 and 2 I think I have read enough to put down a vote.

[Hockeyguy15]

vote: DropIt

[Scornfire]

I'm having a really rough time today

Agulati: Frankly I'm leaning too hard Flames Fan to build any kind of theory to the contrary

Devo22: Same, neither of you guys have really muddied the waters at all and have had some good reads

DropIt:

Post #12 - Not sure what this was? The flavor was to debate Conn Smythe, I doubt the Trolls actually got a different PM from Oling so I'm guessing this was just you trying to get into it

Post #203 - More PM flavor talk, you seem to be the only one who thinks it might be possible Trolls and Flames fans got different PMs, yet you yourself didn't discuss Bennett/Conn Smythe (nor did Eoj grant you)

Nothing else really raises an eyebrow, some latter stage mod talk "Questions" (post #62 doesn't seem like a question someone who has played before would have) that came off very newbie, doesn't raise a flag for me atm. Though from my perspective Forcing the Tie at the end of the Bonded vote when Agulati was at threshold could be a calculated risk, hoping that I would vote Agulati while tying you to a bonded vote down the road if he flipped later in the game. Not really sold on that theory though

I'd say I'm mostly sure he's Flames Fan


HockeyGuy15: Still have reservations, but the GGG headbutting reads more naturally this read-through, the day 2 hunt is basically exonerating unless it was decided between you 2 that the best chance of a win after a day 1 ban was to have one of you absolutely wreck the other one, which I can buy. But he's been helpful so far and challenged me on my bad play day 1 which I don't think would be a part of any troll strategy when I was doing quite well at digging myself into a hole.

Also Strong lean Flames Fan

Sebc: The exchange between Seb and GGG Posts #389/90 + post #400. I'm not sure a troll calls this out, but then again I'm not sure why a Flames Fan considers this proof of my innocence in Post #652, unless he's referencing a different GGG slip-up. In general his style makes him a hard read one way or the other

50/50 atm

Pux/Mrkajz: big ole shrugs


Sorry, not much help here

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Am I the only one that thought GGG banned himself because of the names Fizz was bringing up? I guess it was smart justvtobshut the whole thing down and get the town off the roll they were on

Could be a slip, day 3 DropIt says get the town off the roll THEY were on.

The roll WE were on, I'm sure is what he meant to say?

[agulati]

Might be just a case of him putting himself in "mafia" shoes. HG brings some solid points about DropIt. He has been a relatively quiet under the radar poster, which will be a smart strategy for a mafia at this point. Don't be too vocal if you want to survive multiple days.

I'm intrigued by the reasoning. I'm less sure of Seb. His playing style is calculative which is great for a townie, but can be used to go through posts and mischaracterize points as well to suit a mafia. But apparently his playing style hasn't changed from previous games.

I just think Scorn and WF are emotional first time players and are townies. It's natural. I remember my first lynch ever, it can be tough not to take things personally. Keep in mind, its only you who knows who you are, and no one else.

Devo22 has posted good theories and I just don't think he is mafia (Gut feeling more so than anything else)

GGG butted heads with Pux repeatedly. Makes me again think she is a townie, though it might be an elaborate plan to distance themselves (I don't think so, for now)

HG, I have made my suspicions apparent, though I am second guessing myself.

MrK, I don't have much in terms of a feel. I have to go through his posts again.

Hope I didn't miss anyone.

[WinnipegFan]

Here is my theory, I see a GGG and Scornfire working together in the following posts:

#279 GGG, a now known Oiler, tries to direct traffic away from Scorn, Bizaro questions it.

#284 GGG again defends Scorn.

#288 GGG again tries to pull attention of Scorn, along with adulation (who I now believe to be town)

#293 HG calls GGG out for again missing Scorn in the vote count

#295 GGG redirects attention off of Scorn again.

#318 Scorn makes the claim that HG and GGG are "in cahoots" which I believe is an attempt to hide his own collusion with GGG

#327 Scorn claims to be looking for GGGs accomplices, another tactic to hide his own alignment with GGG

#329 Scorn claims Bonded, now a flipped troll is not an Oiler

#347 Scorn votes for Bonded to save his own skin despite his claim that he isn't an Oiler

This is why I keep pointing at Scorn, not out of vengence but out of his playing style and decisions. He also makes numerous claims to be new, which I am as well, but continues to call me out for not understanding. Another new player would have compassion, he is also called out multiple times for using terms (meta) being one that would identify him as not new. Not a reason to vote but in the context of his other behaviour highly suspicious to me.

[Scornfire]

Much better, thank you

Originally Posted by WinnipegFan

Here is my theory, I see a GGG and Scornfire working together in the following posts:

#279 GGG, a now known Oiler, tries to direct traffic away from Scorn, Bizaro questions it.

#284 GGG again defends Scorn.

#288 GGG again tries to pull attention of Scorn, along with adulation (who I now believe to be town)

#293 HG calls GGG out for again missing Scorn in the vote count

#295 GGG redirects attention off of Scorn again.

#318 Scorn makes the claim that HG and GGG are "in cahoots" which I believe is an attempt to hide his own collusion with GGG

#327 Scorn claims to be looking for GGGs accomplices, another tactic to hide his own alignment with GGG

#329 Scorn claims Bonded, now a flipped troll is not an Oiler

#347 Scorn votes for Bonded to save his own skin despite his claim that he isn't an Oiler

This is why I keep pointing at Scorn, not out of vengence but out of his playing style and decisions. He also makes numerous claims to be new, which I am as well, but continues to call me out for not understanding. Another new player would have compassion, he is also called out multiple times for using terms (meta) being one that would identify him as not new. Not a reason to vote but in the context of his other behaviour highly suspicious to me.

I would also find the bolded suspicious in your shoes, granted I'd also take into consideration other posts I've made like my opus in #412 that should explain why I think he was doing this and where I stood in relation to him

is #288 a miquote? I'm not seeing what you're saying here

#318 what does me going after GGG accomplish on day 1/2 though? Especially being that we've been proven right on this. I don't hound anyone else day 2 but do bite on the mod reveal. Fuzz effectively saves the day thereafter

#327 Indeed, I was and am, because GGG, was and is a troll

#329 Exactly, and given that it's day 1 with no evidence to the contrary really, I can easily get Agulati banned and nobody bats an eye, the person (DropIt) who tied the vote after we already reach threshold would receive far more suspicion than me on a failed vote, I have no pressure to vote Bonded if I'm a troll. This only makes sense if Bonded isn't feeling the game and wants an early out, so the troll team decides to martyr him and allow the deciding vote a solid amount of fan cred

#347 I don't have to save my skin here at all, I'm the last vote with a tie at 5 votes and myself at 4 with no mounting suspicions against me, I get to vote whichever way I like without reprecussion. please elaborate


Look, I'll apologize in light of you now contributing, Your newness doesn't excuse the poor play in my eyes, I spent time trying to figure everything out after a shaky start. This was a voluntary signup and your posts prior to this one added nothing to the discussion, and your hammer set-up for GGG's self-ban isn't admissible due to newness either, especially since you seem to be keeping up with the thread so well despite your low post count, multiple people were discussing not setting up hammer, originally Eoj sets it up (and I called him out on this), then you quickly dropped your vote after GGG's reveal, only to set hammer right back up for him after Fuzz posts, this is the bad Fan play I'm talking about. I'm not beholden to give anyone here my compassion and you were annoying me, sorry. This post changes my perspective of your involvement greatly.

There isn't a whole lot I can refute re: the bolded given it's heavy on things GGG had done (and again, I feel they were setting me to be late game prey), but if you have any more questions about stuff I've posted you can throw them out there