[News] Flames recall Mangiapane

[Fan in Exile]

I find it odd. I think Mangiapane could use some ice time and an opportunity to rebuild his confidence after having such a hard time producing in the NHL. Not as hard on him as many here but he doesn't seem quite ready to take the last step to become a full-time NHLer. Quine seems the most obvious choice right now.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Was my individual post really worth a response?

Either way, yes, it is worth more than a passing thought. Is that a problem?

It was a legitimate question on my part. It's such a low move that the idea of it being curious was.. curious to me.

Originally Posted by Bingo

With zero Flames news in 8 days you jump on whatever comes along!

That's fair. Last year I was turning off the TV early, not caring about games. Thank god for Peters, I'm actually itching for Flames hockey after just a week. Friday can't come soon enough.

[Jore]

didn't mangiapane have 2 goals and an assist in the 2 games that he was down in stockton? he's not gotten a lot of ice time on the flames so far and had a horrible game before he was ruled out with injury, but i think there's something there and the narrative would be quite different if he had a goal instead of the posts he's hit or the missed nets. he and quine or lazar or whoever are interchangeable and mangiapane has more upside than the others imo. nothing to complain about with this move

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You think 250K is the stumbling block?

That's the difference in the two.

I can see where the waiver status may come into play, but that sum of money?

Or i am misunderstanding what you mean by contract.

Yes, that sum of money. For a team looking to add, already tight against the cap, every quarter of a million dollar counts.

[sureLoss]

If Quine plays another NHL game or spends another 10 days on the NHL roster, he needs to clear waivers to be sent down to Stockton again.
Flames would have to decide whether to keep him up for the rest of the season or risk losing him to waivers.

Lazar still can play 10 NHL games or spend 27 days on the NHL roster before needing to clear waivers again.

The Flames create ~$1.34k of cap space per day by choosing Mangiapane over Lazar. While it doesn't seem like much, over a 30 day period it comes to roughly $40k in cap space. That $40k can go towards paying some of Tkachuk's bonuses this season rather than potentially having it roll over to next or towards a bigger trade deadline acquisition.

[JackJack]

Could they possibly be showcasing Mangiapane for a few more games prior to the trade deadline?

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If Quine plays another NHL game or spend another 10 days on the NHL roster, he needs to clear waivers to be sent down to Stockton again.
Flames would have to decide to keep him up for the rest of the season or risk losing him to waivers.

Lazar still can play 10 NHL games or spend 27 days on the NHL roster before needing to clear waivers again.

The Flames create ~$1.34k of cap space per day by choosing Mangiapane over Lazar. While it doesn't seem like much over a 30 day period it comes to roughly in $40k in cap space. That $40k can go towards paying some of Tkachuk's bonuses this season rather than potentially having it roll over to next or towards a bigger trade deadline acquisition.

Thanks. That really clarifies everything. The thing is that there are a few guys producing well offensively down there including Mangiapane but Quine is the only one that has shown that translates to NHL production.

I expect we'll see more of Rychel as well as Quine, Lazar, Dube and maybe Graovac and Robinson down the stretch assuming there isn't a big addition made at the deadline.

[Erick Estrada]

Whether you think he deserves to be the call-up or not nobody can say the Flames haven't given him a chance to make it in the NHL. While 23 games over the past few seasons isn't a lot a single assist over that span also isn't a lot when your top asset is supposed to be offensive skill. He really needs to be more productive with his opportunities and hopefully next time he gets in the lineup he can make a case for himself as more than just a good AHL player.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by JackJack

Could they possibly be showcasing Mangiapane for a few more games prior to the trade deadline?

Lol Mangiapane is a funny player. We've got half the board thinking he sucks and half the board thinking we can get a top trade deadline rental for him.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If Quine plays another NHL game or spends another 10 days on the NHL roster, he needs to clear waivers to be sent down to Stockton again.
Flames would have to decide whether to keep him up for the rest of the season or risk losing him to waivers.

Lazar still can play 10 NHL games or spend 27 days on the NHL roster before needing to clear waivers again.

The Flames create ~$1.34k of cap space per day by choosing Mangiapane over Lazar. While it doesn't seem like much, over a 30 day period it comes to roughly $40k in cap space. That $40k can go towards paying some of Tkachuk's bonuses this season rather than potentially having it roll over to next or towards a bigger trade deadline acquisition.

This very much tells me that Mangiapane is well ahead of Lazar on the pecking order then...cause no way BT worries about 40K if he thought Lazar could help the team more.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This very much tells me that Mangiapane is well ahead of Lazar on the pecking order then...cause no way BT worries about 40K if he thought Lazar could help the team more.

Nah. It tells us Lazar is not well ahead of Mangiapane.
If they were the same, or Lazar maybe just marginally better (possibly) its not worth the 40k.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You think 250K is the stumbling block?

That's the difference in the two.

I can see where the waiver status may come into play, but that sum of money?

Or i am misunderstanding what you mean by contract.

With the deadline ahead of them still, they don't know how much cap space they'll need. Any recall of a player that costs 200-400K more takes away from the accrued cap space they'd need at the end of the season.

[BigFlameDog]

Showcasing doesn't exist. It's a myth. There are scouts and video everywhere for every player, a short stint in league X isn't changing anyone's mind.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This very much tells me that Mangiapane is well ahead of Lazar on the pecking order then...cause no way BT worries about 40K if he thought Lazar could help the team more.

I'm just guessing ... but I think it has more to do with

a) cap space
b) Mangiapane can more easily go up and down
c) not interrupting Lazar's "adjustment"

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm just guessing ... but I think it has more to do with

a) cap space
b) Mangiapane can more easily go up and down
c) not interrupting Lazar's "adjustment"

Fair enough.

I just can't believe that 40K in cap space is the determining factor though. IF there was a thought that Lazar is the better option for helping the club, I have to believe he would be here.

Mind you the old "if it ain't broke, don' fix it" mantra could easily be a big part of this as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

Thanks. That really clarifies everything. The thing is that there are a few guys producing well offensively down there including Mangiapane but Quine is the only one that has shown that translates to NHL production.

I expect we'll see more of Rychel as well as Quine, Lazar, Dube and maybe Graovac and Robinson down the stretch assuming there isn't a big addition made at the deadline.

Listening to the Stockton coach, it seems like Lazar is his favorite player, over Dube, Quine or Mangiapane.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Fair enough.

I just can't believe that 40K in cap space is the determining factor though. IF there was a thought that Lazar is the better option for helping the club, I have to believe he would be here.

Mind you the old "if it ain't broke, don' fix it" mantra could easily be a big part of this as well.

Whether its Mangipane or Lazar, chances are they are 4th line or pressbox minutes. I don't think the season hinges on this call up. As mentioned, 40k cap space pays a decent chunk of bonuses that will have to be paid out.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Fair enough.

I just can't believe that 40K in cap space is the determining factor though. IF there was a thought that Lazar is the better option for helping the club, I have to believe he would be here.

Mind you the old "if it ain't broke, don' fix it" mantra could easily be a big part of this as well.

On the surface I'd agree ... but keep in mind every dollar saved gives you a bigger number to prorate through a season.

As we get closer to Feb 25th I think your point becomes more and more valid but if they had that view all season it would equal almost $200K in terms of the player they could acquire at the deadline.

Right now I have them at around $5.4M in acquiring space, but imagine if they were at $5.495 and the Lazar contract was the difference between being able to pick up a $5.5M player at the deadline or not.

Side note ... I have two numbers out there $1.14 in cap space and $1.55. The latter gives the Flames $7M+ in space at the deadline.

[Fan in Exile]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Listening to the Stockton coach, it seems like Lazar is his favorite player, over Dube, Quine or Mangiapane.

What comments are you referring to? There are lots of ways that someone on the fourth line can contribute to the big club and no one has ever questioned Lazar's heart or positive attitude. But there are a number of players who have more points than him on the Heat this year, and I think it's reasonable to project that they're likely to produce more in the NHL, especially Quine. I guess it depends on what Peters wants from those players. Obviously if it was just offensive capability, Czarnik would be playing more. I'm sure Lazar will get his shot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

What comments are you referring to? There are lots of ways that someone on the fourth line can contribute to the big club and no one has ever questioned Lazar's heart or positive attitude. But there are a number of players who have more points than him on the Heat this year, and I think it's reasonable to project that they're likely to produce more in the NHL, especially Quine. I guess it depends on what Peters wants from those players. Obviously if it was just offensive capability, Czarnik would be playing more. I'm sure Lazar will get his shot.

His radio interviews. He's Maclean's go to in all situations, apparently. He's playing top line, PP, PK and apparently is a locker room leader. He's playing 20+ minutes per game. As to points, of guys who've played significant games, his PPG is about the same as Rychel and Graovac. It's well behind Quine, but he's having a phenomenal season. Behnind Mangiapane and Dube but they've had limited games.