Calgarypuck Mafia Game Thread

[Scornfire]

GGG was at the top of my list since the first day, Only reason I didn't vote GGG yesterday was because he gained so much attention right from the get go and I wanted to hear more opinions/insights after being wrong (yet luckily right) on day 1 with my reads. I outlined my thoughts on how it was playing out in post #412

I'm not sure where I stand today on troll number 3, but towards the end GGG seemed to be getting more and more frustrated, I think you guys are probably spot on about him having little support on the troll team and he was likely saddled with 2 rookies. I'll try and find some time to re-read the thread this afternoon

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Just as I am going through the days this is what stands out for me with GGG. Not going to quote all the posts to avoid a wall of text.

Post #21 gives me a hard time for helping new players - It makes me think that he is trying to distance himself from the new players with this.

Post #24 I make a joke disagreeing with the random generator Bonded brought up, GGG jumps on it and says anyone using a random number generator should be lynched. Odd that Bonded suggested it, but I get the vote? Trying to distance himself from Bonded again?

Post #36 GGG defending his need to have votes on people. In reality I think GGG wants people voting often because it is then harder to go back and understand their motive.

Post #73 He says he thinks Fuzz is town because "There is an assumption that the voting is random which comes from a pure town perspective". Yet earlier in post #21 he told me I was downplaying the first vote as random. I think we are starting to see GGG having issues being an Oiler fan, he's getting sloppy. Last game when I was scum it was hard to come up with arguments to make people look guilty when you knew they weren't.

Post #97 he talks about replacing inactive players over banning them, by my count Bonded had 4 posts (with 1 being a vote). I'm wondering if at this point he has 2 inactive buddies?

Post #111 he changes his vote from me to Puxlut for a posting a lot but not adding value. Both his votes so far seem to be for no reason, he also makes his first mistake and thinks that Puxlut has a vote on her already. Seems like he is trying to start a run up on her, which makes me lean towards her being a Flames fan.

Post #160 says we don't want to accidentally lynch WinnipegFan, we have 4 of 7 votes on him. Then follows up and asks WinnipegFan if he thinks Oiler fans ganing up on a person not voting is a good strategy? This stands out to me because it almost seems to me like they discussed his defense in their other forum and WinnipegFan didn't post to GGG's liking so he tried to guide him along.

Post #164 GGG throws out a list of stuff that stands out to him. He could be trying to distract people from the WinnipegFan votes.

Post #201 GGG and his don't lynch a new poster on day 1. Obviously Bonded was new but he didn't have any heat on him yet. I think he may be trying to protect both his buddies while the agulati vote is picking up steam. This also makes me lean as agulati possibly being a Flames fan.

Post #202 GGG and Bonded discussing the Bonded vote on agulati. Again it almost seems like GGG is coachin him on his post similar to with WinnipegFan.

Post #247 GGG says it's good Oiler strategy to ban new players. Again protecting new players.

Post #260 The Bonded vote is picking up steam, GGG tries to save Bonded and goes into attack mode on dissentowner and agulati.

Post #279 GGG is the 4th vote on agulati, saying he put agulati in the lead. He forgets that Scornfire also has 4 votes on him. This still seems off to me, along with the protect new posters narrative I'm not sure about Scornfire.

That whole time Bonded was on the block all he did was go on about agulati and other veteran posters. I think he was totally out of his element and was in full damage control mode being saddled with 2 rookie posters.

The vote from day 1
Votes Scornfire (4): Hockeyguy15, SebC, devo22, bizaro86
Votes agulati (5): Winnipegfan, mrkajz44, Bonded, GGG, crazy_eoj
Votes Bonded (6): dissentowner, agulati, Fuzz, Puxlut, DropIt, Scornfire

Dissentowner and Fuzz we know are town. I lean towards Puxlut and agulati being town. GGG and Bonded voted for agulati, would they have all 3 vote for the same person day 1? That seems risky. That leaves me to look at DropIt and Scornfire as possible Oiler fans trying to gain Flames fan credit with a ban of their own buddy.

I don't have time to look at day 2 right now, but just looking at the vote count neither voted for GGG.

I figured someone would come up with that theory.

My question would be why I would tie up the vote against Bonded when it would have been so easy to tilt the scales at Agulati? I mentioned I didnt really know have a basis I was voting on and that it was gut instinct.

Seems like pretty bold/poor Mafia play to intentionally get the mafia numbers down from 3 to 2 on the first day, a day that is generally a guessing game.

[crazy_eoj]

Awesome work Flames Fans, grabbing two oiler trolls on the first two days is pretty impressice.

After re-reading the entire thread, I'm suspicious of Scornfire. He spent the first few pages of the game simply trying to lay low, claiming to not be available, and posting frequently about how the game was 'too meta' or dissapointing. This would fit with GGG's posting seeming to protect new players. Yet he posted just enough not to be the lowest poster.

In post 248 he references a conversation between Hockey/Biz/Sebc and then adds on GGG's name after. Seems like he was debating whether to even mention GGG for some reason.

GGG didn't mention the tied vote between Scornfire and Agulati/Bonded when he flipped his vote from Puxlut to Agulati to try and raise votes on Day 1. Notable omission that was also mentioned by bizaro.

Scorn tries to push votes to bizaro and day one and repeatedly claimed he doesn't think Bonded is oiler troll. However he is boxed in with a tied vote for either him or Bonded and has to move now, making a great cover. Scornfire does vote for bonded late on game day 1, breaking a tie . But then Bonded calls Scorn 'definitely a townie' even after he votes to lynch him, which is a strange response right before you may be lynched.

Day 2 Scorn comes in with an early theory against me, but making mistakes on the vote count kind of goes quiet when there is no support. After consensus begins to build on a vote for GGG he has a long post accusing GGG of being a troll, and saying that he's leaning towards a vote on GGG. He never follows through on this vote.

He spends his next few posts instead defending GGG and being concerned with how the votes are piling up against him. He continually suggests voting for less active players, making sure to sometime mention how he distrusts GGG.

Today again he mentions how he was against GGG the whole time.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

[crazy_eoj]

vote Scornfire

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I would like to see HG be checked by the mod, unless things move of GGG today for someone else. Then I'd like to see GGG checked.

Interesting to see how agulati, Scornfire, DropIt, and Pux all don't have votes down right now and they were 4 of the 6 votes on Bonded. I have them all as town due to the vote on Day 1, but none of them are voting now as the deadline approaches? Would love to see votes from them to help guide a bit as I place their opinions higher than others right now.

Just re-reading this...the first sentence mrkajz44 calls for an investigation of HG and GGG. If he is a troll, he would know GGG was a troll, not a proxy troll, and would reveal him. So by mrkajz44 calling for an investigation of GGG, I suspect he is probably Flames. Sure, it could be a red hearing, but I would suspect mrkajz44 woudl have called for an investigation of the proxy troll, not the normal one.

[agulati]

I still don't have a clear read on SebC. His posting style makes it very difficult to get a true understanding on him. I don't know if that makes him suspicious or just playing his style, though.

[Scornfire]

Eoj with literally his first Insights of the game, this mesh's well with what I mentioned I'd felt the Bonded "Scorn is a Townie for sure" comment was purposed for at the end of Day 1.


post#15, Wow, I didn't even notice this but thanks for mentioning the whole biz/sebc/hg/GGG theory I had mentioned with regards to the pointless/counterproductive mod convo. YOU were actually the one who brought it up, I'm not sure how that slipped by unnoticed, good job setting GGG up to feign concern. You use "Lynch" here as well

Post #94 Is this just a funny recall to my sarcasm in the signup thread or where the trolls decide I'm the easy target?

Post #117 Revenge Vote/Very quick response to GGG feeding you info (4mins after he posted) and joining on his Puxlut vote

post #121, new guy using old terminology, much like bonded

Post #326, why are you even asking me, are the trolls trying to determine a gameplan here with 1 of their own on the chopping block? This is prior to you voting Agulati based on GGG's "Observations" that you mention in Post #322, perhaps hoping you can just jump on my vote after instead of having to be a tide turning vote

GGG's last vote is on you and your last vote is on him, neither providing any evidence or insights into those votes, this feels like a hail mary



For someone so uninvolved you sure had a lot of references to my posting History and several Mistakes by GGG and Bonded that would point to me. Any Trolls dumb enough to actually try and convince everyone else that a fellow troll is on the good side right before getting lynched deserve to lose Day 3. And I corrected my mistake early on Day 2 8 MINUTES after I posted it, Ya, I really abandoned that train /eyeroll

[Scornfire]

Vote: Crazy_Eoj

[devo22]

the only thing that doesn't really make sense here is the timing of crazy_ejos vote for GGG. I said I didn't want to set up hammer just yet, which is when SebC unvotes. I then do vote, and crazy_eoj immediately follows and sets up hammer. What's the strategy here if he's an Oiler? I mean, me unvoting probably wasn't a huge surprise after my hammer comment, but it's still a huge risk. If you're already down after day 1, setting up hammer on day 2 seems like a suicide mission.

[Scornfire]

This applies to WF as well, still not happy with that revote. But as we saw GGG clearly intended to Hammer himself if things started to evolve into Proxy troll speculation to, apparently, keep Dissent out of the discussion Day 3

[devo22]

sure. Not saying it exonerates him, just trying to see the motivation here if he's an Oiler. GGGs hail mary came much later, there was still a lot of time left to try shift blame elsewhere.

in that sense, WFs vote is much more suspicious. It comes at a time where GGG is done because Fuzz had outed himself as the real mod. GGG could have instructed him to set up hammer if the real mod bites so that he can kill himself quickly and get diss out before things go really sideways for them.

[Scornfire]

Agreed, but I find it strange that EoJ has chosen day 3 to start driving conversation, only after the Troll point man has been eliminated. His style was extremely low key the first 2 days. This can be attributed to newness though, I'm still not comfortable with my gut at the moment and probably would've just waited for the rest of you guys to provide insights before making any decisions if EoJ hadn't gone after me

[crazy_eoj]

LOL I had one post on Day 2 of the game since it occured over the weekend in real time, and I took that opportunity to criticize GGG and then vote for him. If I was an oiler troll that would be an epic fail of strategy!

Meanwhile the ties to Scornfire as Oiler Troll are clearly evident.

Bizaro banned after voting for Scorn and pushing that theory.
Scorn claiming Bonded was Towny for sure (then voting against him). Then after Scorn voting for him Bonded returns the favor mentions Scorn is town for sure.
Scorns empty claims against GGG while not voting for him, and subtly steering the votes anywhere else.

If anyone looks at it in detail there's a pretty clear trail here IMHO.

[Hockeyguy15]

Post #385 and #386 from GGG interest me at the moment. Rehashing the first vote he goes into a lot more detail on the Scornfire voters compared to the agulati voters. Not sure what that means to me yet, but 4 hours of sleep and I think I need more coffee.

[SebC]

A couple points about me:

- While I did not end up with a vote on GGG, I still think I had a fairly important role in getting him lynched.
- I said that GGG should be lynched Day 4, even if I'm dead. Am I planning to die before he does, and get him off the hook that way? Why, then, would I not fake a freudian slip or something to advance that plan?
- I was aware of the traction that the GGG vote had, and felt a bit guilty for starting it as early as I did in that nothing else really got discussed, thus making it an easy day for mafia to hide their tracks. Disclosing my alternate theory, and the vote to support that, was an attempt to make up for it, and set the game up better going forward.
- If I were troll, would I really want to move off GGG, knowing that he would flip mafia? Knowing that even if he were to survive the day he would be unlikely to make it to the endgame (with me having said that he should not)? Moving off him only made sense because I did not have certainty of his alignment (nor that of crazy_eoj).

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by devo22

the only thing that doesn't really make sense here is the timing of crazy_ejos vote for GGG. I said I didn't want to set up hammer just yet, which is when SebC unvotes. I then do vote, and crazy_eoj immediately follows and sets up hammer. What's the strategy here if he's an Oiler? I mean, me unvoting probably wasn't a huge surprise after my hammer comment, but it's still a huge risk. If you're already down after day 1, setting up hammer on day 2 seems like a suicide mission.

This is what I'm struggling with too. I've considered the idea that GGG had already figured he was essentially cooked, and the only way out was the mod reveal near the end of the day. He told Crazy about this plan and encouraged a vote on him in order to distance himself from GGG. To be honest, this wouldn't be a terrible plan had Fuzz not been able to speak up and say he was already successful in an investigation - I sort of bought GGGs post personally until I scrolled down and saw Fuzz's reveal. From what I recall, CP mafia games typically don't hammer too early, so I guess they could have rolled the dice on that?

[Scornfire]

You had nothing for Contributions day 1 either, mostly fluff. I didn't steer the votes anywhere else, just stated You and WF weren't helping to that point and I wasn't ready for a pile-on with most of a RL day left at that stage when GGG had promised to make a good post later on, I definitely bit on GGG's fake mod post though


Lots of insights all of a sudden sir, if you're a flames fan props for finally getting involved, if not you should stop spilling coffee on GGG's notes. If anything I would've banned HG as I've butted heads with him more than anyone and he's far more suspicious of me than Biz was. Bizaro ban still makes little sense, but from the Troll perspective I guess you think it's an easy tie in to me, so okay. Your reading comprehension is awful, Bonded claimed *I* was townie for sure, I said I was 99% sure BOTH Bonded and Agulati were Flames fans prior to being the tie breaking vote. And again, what a stupid Troll play that would be imo, it only serves as evidence AGAINST the people saying it

The GGG introspection into my votes while saying nothing about Agulati was equally odd to me (Again, Post #412), but here we are day 3 with that coming into play already as soft evidence.

EoJ, Would you care to address a single Post that I referenced in my audit of your posting History? I think we've already determined the Troll strategy has been a pretty epic failure

[WinnipegFan]

Scornfire is doing a lot of deflecting and he didn’t like my revote, despite my admittance I fell for GGGs claim, so now he gets my vote. Let’s make it a clean sweep of Oiler scum fellow townies.

[WinnipegFan]

Vote: Scornfire

[Scornfire]

I didn't like your revote because it set up hammer, which clearly screwed us a bit