2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[goflamesgo18]

Johnny - Mony - Lindy
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Hayes - Neal
Ryan - Janko - Hathaway

He doesnt have to be a first or second line guy yo give this team a boost for playoffs. Maybe he clicks really well with Neal. I definitely wont be upset if we trade our late first for him.

He can also play second PP and might be exactly what we need for that second unit.

Never hurts 5o have tons of depth/skill come playoffs.

[Heavy Jack]

33 points in 39 games, on pace to smashing his career best in points out of the water on a bad NYR team; also only 27 years old by the start of next year, if we could make a play for both Hayes and Zuccarello it would be insane.

Frolik
Czarnik
Mangiapane
1st
3rd


For

Hayes
Zuccarello

Helps clear a contract in Frolik for next year, gives Czarnik a chance and with Phillips in the pipeline it’s easier to deal him, we load up for a deep run; also would hope to sign Hayes in a trade scenario like this one.

Gaudreau - Hayes - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Monahan - Zuccarello
Bennett - Backlund - Neal
Hathaway - Jankowski - Ryan

[Flash Walken]

Things we know about Jeff Gorton and the flames:

Gorton drives a hard bargain, but is definitely a guy who likes to make moves. I think the flames and rangers were talking over the summer before Hamilton was moved and the rangers held firm, so Tre dealt fox to the canes. I think there might be some regret there on the part of the rangers and perhaps something was learned by them about negotiating with Treliving.

We also know that for as eager as Tre is to include stipulations on picks, Gorton is equally as receptive in getting conditional picks back. in a time when dealing value for value is so complicated, having two guys receptive to the fluctuating value of picks makes it easier to do a deal.

If both teams are going into this with their eyes wide open anout the possibility of Hayes re-signing (very slim imo), that makes the idea of doing a deal easier. For example in a deal with an eastern team where Hayes is rumoured to want to stay, the rangers have to be sure they get value for the notion of playing against Hayes frequently on a rival team. I'd everyone knows he is a pure rental in Calgary, that lowers Calgary's cost to acquire.

We also know the rangers don't have an issue moving multiple players in a deal with a team with a shopping list. I feel as though that may be the flames this year: looking at adding multiple bodies. That's another indication they could be good/likely trading partners. If Tre thinks he can get good value for 3 players from one organization in one deal, I think that's the type of deal he wants to pull the trigger on.

We also know the rangers will eat salary.

Depending on health I could see a deal where the fpames end up with Hayes, fast and McQuaid coming back for conditioanal picks and solid but unspectacular prospects.

[Hemi-Cuda]

I really hope Treliving doesn't trade any picks, and starts putting a much higher priority on them now that the Flames have a good set of young core players. Trading away a first to go "all in" just ensures that Calgary's current cup window closes sooner rather than later, I'd prefer that Tre tries to keep young skill on ELCs coming into the organization. It would be nice to have some sustained success in this city for once instead of watching the team yo-yo every season

[transplant99]

Hayes would be great, but there is no way the Flames can extend him moving forward.

6'5" 50 point centers dont exactly grow on trees.

He will make 6+ million on his next contract.

When all of Tkachuk, Rittich, Bennett and a slew of AHL guys need to sign.

[Heavy Jack]

With the emergence of Kylington, Valimaki and Andersson - I could see the Flames dealing one of Hamonic/Brodie in the off-season to A. Open up more cap space for the RFA’s and B. Recoup some assets that we could potentially be spending at the trade deadline this year.

Re-signing a guy like Hayes isn’t out of the question IMO.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Things we know about Jeff Gorton and the flames:

Gorton drives a hard bargain, but is definitely a guy who likes to make moves. I think the flames and rangers were talking over the summer before Hamilton was moved and the rangers held firm, so Tre dealt fox to the canes. I think there might be some regret there on the part of the rangers and perhaps something was learned by them about negotiating with Treliving.

We also know that for as eager as Tre is to include stipulations on picks, Gorton is equally as receptive in getting conditional picks back. in a time when dealing value for value is so complicated, having two guys receptive to the fluctuating value of picks makes it easier to do a deal.

If both teams are going into this with their eyes wide open anout the possibility of Hayes re-signing (very slim imo), that makes the idea of doing a deal easier. For example in a deal with an eastern team where Hayes is rumoured to want to stay, the rangers have to be sure they get value for the notion of playing against Hayes frequently on a rival team. I'd everyone knows he is a pure rental in Calgary, that lowers Calgary's cost to acquire.

We also know the rangers don't have an issue moving multiple players in a deal with a team with a shopping list. I feel as though that may be the flames this year: looking at adding multiple bodies. That's another indication they could be good/likely trading partners. If Tre thinks he can get good value for 3 players from one organization in one deal, I think that's the type of deal he wants to pull the trigger on.

We also know the rangers will eat salary.

Depending on health I could see a deal where the fpames end up with Hayes, fast and McQuaid coming back for conditioanal picks and solid but unspectacular prospects.

I wonder if Hayes would be more open to Calgary than most other western options given his relationship with Chucky and Johnny. He fits with the age group of our core pretty well and is flexible enough to play both centre and wing as well as up and down the lineup. Something about his addition just feels right.

[Flash Walken]

You could do that heavy, but it really messes up how you've divided the cap.

When it's the window to win it's often better to let valuable players walk away then try to stem the bleeding by trading them.

Also I think Hayes specifically is not going to sign in a western Canadian city if there is any similar deal out east. Just comes with the territory, literally.

I'd rather keep trading for one year fits that address whatever team weakness presents itself that specific year then try to forecast that with a long term contract right out of the gate.

Acquire rental this year with picks. Acquire different rental next year with picks.

Right now I think the deficits are a second line finisher, a 3rd line distributor and a physical defender that keeps prout in the press box.

To me, all of those roles are roles you address on a yearly basis. The wheels can fall off at any time.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

With the emergence of Kylington, Valimaki and Andersson - I could see the Flames dealing one of Hamonic/Brodie in the off-season to A. Open up more cap space for the RFA’s and B. Recoup some assets that we could potentially be spending at the trade deadline this year.

Re-signing a guy like Hayes isn’t out of the question IMO.

I think they will need to do that just to be able to keep Tkachuk, Bennett and Rittich. I don’t see them being able to keep any $5M+ player they acquire at the deadline.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think they will need to do that just to be able to keep Tkachuk, Bennett and Rittich. I don’t see them being able to keep any $5M+ player they acquire at the deadline.

I personally don't think Bennett should be making any more than $2.5 mil and should be traded if he wants more. Good role player but can't pay 3rd/4th liners too much. Rittich shouldn't be making any more than $3.0 mil.

Trade Brodie for 1st+Prospect
Trade Frolik

That opens up space to bring in someone new along with Tkachuk's extension (keep in mind that Smith will also be coming off the books)

[Knut]

Why are you splitting up Monahan-Gaudreau ????

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I personally don't think Bennett should be making any more than $2.5 mil and should be traded if he wants more. Good role player but can't pay 3rd/4th liners too much. Rittich shouldn't be making any more than $3.0 mil.

Trade Brodie for 1st+Prospect
Trade Frolik

That opens up space to bring in someone new along with Tkachuk's extension (keep in mind that Smith will also be coming off the books)

Don’t agree with your Bennett take at all. You can’t say a thing about Rittich today in any certainty. If he keeps up this winning % and say win the west or cup then his price goes up.

[FlamesFanTrev]

Originally Posted by Hes

Why are you splitting up Monahan-Gaudreau ????

Because Hayes and Johnny played university together 5 years ago. That's gotta count for more then playing 4.5 NHL season together, right?

[Vinny01]

Apparently any Flyer other than Giroux could be had for the right price. Depends what that price would be but the sounds of it the Flyers are not looking at an extended rebuild.

It would be amazing to snag Couturier without sacrificing one of our big 4 forwards.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I personally don't think Bennett should be making any more than $2.5 mil and should be traded if he wants more. Good role player but can't pay 3rd/4th liners too much. Rittich shouldn't be making any more than $3.0 mil.

Trade Brodie for 1st+Prospect
Trade Frolik

That opens up space to bring in someone new along with Tkachuk's extension (keep in mind that Smith will also be coming off the books)

-Bennett is ranked 183rd in NHL forwards for goals per 60 (forward 5.9 per team)
-Ranked 187th in first assists (6.0 forward)
-Ranked 292nd in second assists (suggests he's somewhat unlucky)
-Ranked 216th in total points (hurt by 2nd assists), (forward 6.9)
-Ranked 81st in individual scoring chances
-Ranked 19th in individual high danger chances

This isn't a 3rd/4th liner ... it's a 2nd/3rd liner, which is exactly how he's been utilized this season.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

-Bennett is ranked 183rd in NHL forwards for goals per 60 (forward 5.9 per team)
-Ranked 187th in first assists (6.0 forward)
-Ranked 292nd in second assists (suggests he's somewhat unlucky)
-Ranked 216th in total points (hurt by 2nd assists), (forward 6.9)
-Ranked 81st in individual scoring chances
-Ranked 19th in individual high danger chances

This isn't a 3rd/4th liner ... it's a 2nd/3rd liner, which is exactly how he's been utilized this season.

How does he compare to Nick Ritchie, who was in the same draft year and signed a 3 year deal for 1.5 million a year a couple months ago. I know in terms of goals and assists Ritchie has slighly outperformed Bennett over the past 3 years, not sure what the fancy stats say though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanTrev

Because Hayes and Johnny played university together 5 years ago. That's gotta count for more then playing 4.5 NHL season together, right?

They will also dig up Bill Arnold from wherever he's gone.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

How does he compare to Nick Ritchie, who was in the same draft year and signed a 3 year deal for 1.5 million a year a couple months ago. I know in terms of goals and assists Ritchie has slighly outperformed Bennett over the past 3 years, not sure what the fancy stats say though.

Nick Ritchie this year

-Ranked 245th
-Ranked 39th in first assists
-Ranked 191st in second assists
-Ranked 117th in total points
-Ranked 214st in individual scoring chances
-Ranked 97th in individual high danger chances

Behind in goals, ahead in 1st assists and points. Behind in scoring chances.

However you'd almost have to look at his numbers last year as the comparison as that's what they likely based his contract on.

[CliffFletcher]

While the deficit spending on picks is going to catch with the Flames at some point, we need to keep in mind that the Flames' first this summer will likely be 26th to 31st overall. That's a different asset than a 15th to 20th OA pick. Might want to think of it as more like a 2nd round pick.

The other question is how long the Flames' brass think the contending window will be open. Is this a season to go all-in? Or do they play it conservative for another season or two?

Hayes for the Flames' 1st would be about right, using the Jets trade for Stastny last deadline as a comparable.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nick Ritchie this year

-Ranked 245th
-Ranked 39th in first assists
-Ranked 191st in second assists
-Ranked 117th in total points
-Ranked 214st in individual scoring chances
-Ranked 97th in individual high danger chances

Behind in goals, ahead in 1st assists and points. Behind in scoring chances.

However you'd almost have to look at his numbers last year as the comparison as that's what they likely based his contract on.

What're his numbers from last year.