Whats the real rebuild number at though? Its more than 4.
Even then though, the Oilers' delusional lies cant get that number lower than 4, but its been more than that. They're touching on 13 years of awful here...
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Whats the real rebuild number at though? Its more than 4.
Even then though, the Oilers' delusional lies cant get that number lower than 4, but its been more than that. They're touching on 13 years of awful here...
With the hilarity of the last few days in Oil country (last 12/13 years really) and all the areas the Oilers basically suck at as an organization, one thing that has crossed my mind is with their lack of success in developing players. This may be one area that is being exposed in a big way.
McDavid is the most can't-miss prospect of the last 10 years. One could debate that, but this guy is as much of a sure thing as it gets for kids coming out of junior. I don't watch many Oiler games and maybe some of you guys could speak on this. How much has he evolved as a player overall in the NHL? His offence is an area of strength, obviously. However, what about the rest of his game? Face-offs, defensive play, difficulty to play against, the proverbial 200 ft player.
I live on the east coast and Sydney Crosby (McDavid's constant comparable it seems) seems to work on his game constantly and relentlessly. Face-offs a problem? Get to work. One-timers not up to snuff? Get to work. Crosby is no doubt a better player than when he came into the league. Has the Oilers and/or their culture provided much in the way of development for their vaunted number one center? Or is this more or less the same player that came into the league?
I may be off on this line of thinking, but in my limited viewings, it's almost like the Oil signed him to the big contract, he is making more than anyone else in the league, he should go out there and carry the team to victory. When that doesn't happen, the Oil brain trust has hit a wall and don't know what to do next.
You need support? What do you mean? You're the "best player" in the world. Support is for lesser players. We have goodish players, right? Go out there and win.
Whats the real rebuild number at though? Its more than 4.
I have them going into rebuild number six.
1993-1996 – V 1.0
Jason Arnott, Nick Stajuhar, Jason Bonsignore, Ryan Smith, Steve Kelly, Boyd Devereaux,
1997-2000 – V 2.0
Michel Riesen, Michael Henrich, Jani Rita, Alexi Mihkinov,
2001-2006 – V 3.0
Ales Hemsky, Jesse Niinimaki, MA Pouliot, Devan Dubnyk, Rob Schremp, Andrew Cogliano,
2007-2012 V 4.0
Sam Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Oskar Klefbom, Nail Yakupov,
2013-2018 V 5.0
Darnell Nurse, Leon Draisaitl, Connor McDavid, Jesse Puljujarvi, Kailer Yamamoto, Evan Bouchard
And now we have yet another massive failure and a launch of yet another rebuild by another new GM, who will ultimately have to sell off as much garbage as he can to establish a new core.
2019-??? V 6.0
Who is the first pick of the latest Oil Change after-school special?
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GM Brad Treliving and head coach Bill Peters should both be in consideration for some postseason hardware, along with Mark Giordano, who is a contender for what would be his first Norris Trophy as the league’s top defenseman. The Flames, whose plus-45 goal differential is tops in the Western Conference, far exceeded expectations, opening up a six-point lead on San Jose for the top spot in the Pacific Division and top seed in the Western Conference.
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Edmonton Oilers: F
Sorry, a team with Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl shouldn’t be this bad, this dysfunctional. But the Oilers are what they are and that is a mess. The firing of Todd McLellan early in the season didn’t change that and the abrupt firing of GM Peter Chiarelli in the middle of a game this week doesn’t fix that. Maybe they make the playoffs, maybe they don’t, but as president Bob Nicholson noted this week, there’s something in the water in Edmonton that needs to be addressed. Sadly pretty much the same thing has been said for more than a decade.
The only other team to get an F was Ottawa, and in Ottawa's case I feel like that's a bit harsh... we knew they'd be this terrible. As far as the A+ grades, it's the Flames, Lightning and Islanders.
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I remember an old 80's hockey card that said Grant Fuhr's nickname was 'Cocoa'
Oilers OBC 1986 to 2018: Anyone detect a pattern of behavior? I know both of these articles have been posted before seperately in the glorious archival proof showing E=NG, but thought they might be interesting when read together. Props to SI's Armen Keteyian and even to the much maligned Spec for daring to pull the curtain back on these oil spills, which have been the modus operandi of the OBC since the beginning.
1993-1996 – V 1.0
Jason Arnott, Nick Stajuhar, Jason Bonsignore, Ryan Smith, Steve Kelly, Boyd Devereaux,
1997-2000 – V 2.0
Michel Riesen, Michael Henrich, Jani Rita, Alexi Mihkinov,
2001-2006 – V 3.0
Ales Hemsky, Jesse Niinimaki, MA Pouliot, Devan Dubnyk, Rob Schremp, Andrew Cogliano,
2007-2012 V 4.0
Sam Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Oskar Klefbom, Nail Yakupov,
2013-2018 V 5.0
Darnell Nurse, Leon Draisaitl, Connor McDavid, Jesse Puljujarvi, Kailer Yamamoto, Evan Bouchard
And now we have yet another massive failure and a launch of yet another rebuild by another new GM, who will ultimately have to sell off as much garbage as he can to establish a new core.
2019-??? V 6.0
Who is the first pick of the latest Oil Change after-school special?
???
The Oilers were a semi competitive team in the late 90s though and reached the finals in 2006. Their rebuild really started after the 2007 season where there was the attempted scoring by committee by Sykora, Hemsky, Smyth, Horcoff, Stoll, and Lupul. That along with a hope that Pisani would grow after his play in the 2006 playoffs (spoiler: he didn't). The Oilers would then begin their long trend of disappointing or rushed first round picks (Gagner, Plante, Nash, Paajarvi, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov)
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The Oilers were a semi competitive team in the late 90s though and reached the finals in 2006.
Except they really weren't. The Oilers have been a steaming pile of mediocrity and managed to stumble into a perfect storm in 2006 where the top teams got eliminated and the Oilers rode a hot goaltender to the finals. That was the ultimate Cinderella story as the years afterwards proved.
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Their rebuild really started after the 2007 season where there was the attempted scoring by committee by Sykora, Hemsky, Smyth, Horcoff, Stoll, and Lupul. That along with a hope that Pisani would grow after his play in the 2006 playoffs (spoiler: he didn't). The Oilers would then begin their long trend of disappointing or rushed first round picks (Gagner, Plante, Nash, Paajarvi, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov)
The Oilers have been in perpetual rebuild since they sold the BOTB to the Rangers. Every few years a new group of can miss studs is identified as the next great dynasty just waiting to happen. The groups I provided were those very groups that the Oiler trolls would come here and tell us, straight up, that these were the next group of HOF quality players that would be winning not just one cup, but a string of cups. The delusions are well documented.
Oilers OBC 1986 to 2018: Anyone detect a pattern of behavior? I know both of these articles have been posted before seperately in the glorious archival proof showing E=NG, but thought they might be interesting when read together. Props to SI's Armen Keteyian and even to the much maligned Spec for daring to pull the curtain back on these oil spills, which have been the MO of the OBC since the beginning.
Yeah forgot about thst SI one. That's just scratching the surface of the stuff those guys got away with up there. For better or worse (mostly better, considering the spiral they were declining into) having their coach being their accountant and babysitter is not the ideal situation.
Toss in Lowe and Anderson and probably others having unintended kids with women up there, a direct result of the partying and high flying lifestyle, , and that was party central, even in a town that Linsemen called stifling. But without Sather being the father figure to these guys, that team was off the rails quick. They all talk about how the team is close, well, he had to keep the team close and make sure they knew where checksstops were and manage Fuhrs rent money because if they weren't close and didn't keep all their demons like drug and booze abuse, shady investments, bad loans and whatever else those lifestyles thought they could handle, in the inner circle, they'd be ripped apart. And Sather knew that, and those guys played for him because he looked out for them.
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Yeah forgot about thst SI one. That's just scratching the surface of the stuff those guys got away with up there. For better or worse (mostly better, considering the spiral they were declining into) having their coach being their accountant and babysitter is not the ideal situation.
Toss in Lowe and Anderson and probably others having unintended kids with women up there, a direct result of the partying and high flying lifestyle, , and that was party central, even in a town that Linsemen called stifling. But without Sather being the father figure to these guys, that team was off the rails quick. They all talk about how the team is close, well, he had to keep the team close and make sure they knew where checksstops were and manage Fuhrs rent money because if they weren't close and didn't keep all their demons like drug and booze abuse, shady investments, bad loans and whatever else those lifestyles thought they could handle, in the inner circle, they'd be ripped apart. And Sather knew that, and those guys played for him because he looked out for them.
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I have to admit, the hatchet job being done on Oilers by the mainstream media has me feeling vindicated. It's like the hockey world has finally - finally come to realize what we have known here at CP for so long...Edmonton is no good.
After years of trying to force feed us "the Young Turks", "something special", "not if, but how many" and countless other descriptors for that tire fire...they get it now.
Edmonton is no good.
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Its funny reading HFOil, some are starting to realize that Bouchard might not be a super blue chip prospect.
kid doesn't appear to be a great skater to me at least.
He really needs to develop his skating, which is something he can do in the minors, though it wouldn't surprise me to see Edmonton ruin another prospect by rushing them into the pros too fast...
Fans are already trying to rush him into the league to solve their d problems
I have to admit, the hatchet job being done on Oilers by the mainstream media has me feeling vindicated. It's like the hockey world has finally - finally come to realize what we have known here at CP for so long...Edmonton is no good.
After years of trying to force feed us "the Young Turks", "something special", "not if, but how many" and countless other descriptors for that tire fire...they get it now.
Edmonton is no good.
It's a temporary thing. They'll do a move or two at the deadline to shuffle chairs, get a few game winning streak to end the year and be close enough to sniffing the playoffs (in.a crappy bottom of the conference) that them, or some in the press, think that they are close.
Lowe will hire a GM who's got potential but more importantly, is someone the national media thinks may be good (Tambelleni, and yes Eakins, as an assistant, we're highly regarded by those in the press) so that Lowe can get that positive media attention applauding him for that hire, to kick off his campaign of selling hope and real change, like he has so often before.
Come late August, after a campaign by Lowe all summer to put himself back in the spotlight, and has had his chats and taken as many media members out to the country club for a round of golf and steak dinner, the criticisms of the situation fade away, and the media starts writing puff peices and sells hope.
Partially due to some media taking random guesses for next season, and want to increase the reputation by calling their shot about the Oilers improving so they can say they are right if it miraculously does happen. Some will predict it to get better because thy don't think it can worse and some who've been seduced by Lowe and believe the tripe yet again, he throws their way and believe that this rebuild will be different.
It is always the case as each preseason the local press expect massive gains and one one or two of the more national guys get tricked into the sale of hope, too. And many of their fans eat it all up and ask for more, just as they have the last 20 years with Lowe at the helm.
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as much as the Oilers floundering gives me joy, the idea that they might potentially get another top 5 pick, pisses me off...
while you can't have one without the other, i always have a sinking feeling that somehow the NHL will find another way to screw up and reward Edmonton with another #1 overall...
It's truly amazing that after all these years of winning lotteries and collecting assets that they are facing yet another rebuild. Of course they are too arrogent to see it, but they simply don't have the assets to be able to put a good product on the ice in the next few years. To get to a competitive point they would need to win multiple trades AND find a hidden gem or two when shuffling around fringe players.
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The Oilers Narrative is that, rather than assemble a deep, talented roster that may go far into the playoffs with a few lucky bounces along the way (like most other teams), is that any assemblage of young players in their stead are instantly elevated to the myth of Impending Dynasty.
I remember an old 80's hockey card that said Grant Fuhr's nickname was 'Cocoa'
