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Old 01-24-2019, 11:42 AM   #141
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You must have a very poor understanding of what "Systematic" (sic) Racism is if you think it's explicitly outlined by law, and not how (and to whom) the laws in place are enforced.
Give me examples please.
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Give me examples please.
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...mographics.pdf
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I see. What about the black people that are law abiding? What’s to stop them from becoming a doctor? Or in Icecube’s case, a teacher?

Where was the evil white people stopping them from succeeding.
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Did Trailer Trash white people suddenly become extinct?

Name one law that has Systematic Racism? Name one law that keeps black people from being anything that they want to be?
Look up the Indian Act, right here in Canada.

Then read this entire Wikipedia page. The whole thing. Then get back to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial..._United_States
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I see. What about the black people that are law abiding? What’s to stop them from becoming a doctor? Or in Icecube’s case, a teacher?

Where was the evil white people stopping them from succeeding.
Why do you only ask questions without trying to find the answer yourself?

Are you only interested in moving the goalposts?
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Why do you only ask questions without trying to find the answer yourself?

Are you only interested in moving the goalposts?
Show me anything from TODAY that’s stopping blacks and people of colour from achieving their goals?
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I just did. Read the god damn wiki.
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I just did. Read the god damn wiki.
Today brother. Not yesteryear
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Old 01-24-2019, 12:16 PM   #150
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Look up the Indian Act, right here in Canada.

Then read this entire Wikipedia page. The whole thing. Then get back to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial..._United_States
I didn’t know that YOU had to sit at the back of the bus? Or weren’t allowed to drink out of the white only water fountain?

Please tell me how you’ve had to overcome such racism?
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This gets its own thread on CP? This?

And then reading the thread, just... What the? Strong competitor for the lowest quality "political" discussion on this forum ever.

I am honestly a bit shocked how easily the world goes crazy over dumb #### these days.
You’re shocked? I’m not.
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I didn’t know that YOU had to sit at the back of the bus? Or weren’t allowed to drink out of the white only water fountain?

Please tell me how you’ve had to overcome such racism?
The fact that guys like you never get called out on their willful ignorance but I'm the local pariah says a lot about how far we have to go to get comfortable talking honestly about racism and white supremacy. Maybe I'm a huge dickhead at times but this is why I am such a huge dickhead.
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The fact that guys like you never get called out on their willful ignorance but I'm the local pariah says a lot about how far we have to go to get comfortable talking honestly about racism and white supremacy. Maybe I'm a huge dickhead at times but this is why I am such a huge dickhead.

You live in Canada bro... where is this white supremacy? Somebody forgot to tell Nenshi I guess.
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This entire thread is insane. Blaming and discrediting the First Nations Vet, dismissing systemic power structures, and excusing blackface at a school basketball game? Even if the kids are ignorant the adults surely shouldn’t be.

I’m out. #### this ####.
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Show me anything from TODAY that’s stopping blacks and people of colour from achieving their goals?
A history in America plagued by slavery, disenfranchisement, ghettoization, segregation, discrimination, and racism.

The main issue with black people in America is that their communities as a whole have been treated horribly. When slavery ended, they weren't given any reparations and just freed into abject poverty and isolated. The legacy of destroyed communities translates over generations.

And yes, black people are improving their situation. Every year more black people go to college and/or become middle class in America. There are people alive today who, when they were born, would not have had he right to vote due to the colour of their skin. Segregated schools weren't outlawed until 1964. Let's stop pretending like this was ancient history. They've lifted the official laws directly keeping black people down, but let's not pretend that instantly puts them on equal economic and social footing.

Wealth, level of education, and social status are proven to largely pass down from generation to generation. When you have a group of people who start off with zero, and are forced to live in near 3rd world conditions, it's going to take time for them to claw their way back up.

Can you seriously be this obtuse?
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A history in America plagued by slavery, disenfranchisement, ghettoization, segregation, discrimination, and racism.

The main issue with black people in America is that their communities as a whole have been treated horribly. When slavery ended, they weren't given any reparations and just freed into abject poverty and isolated. The legacy of destroyed communities translates over generations.

And yes, black people are improving their situation. Every year more black people go to college and/or become middle class in America. There are people alive today who, when they were born, would not have had he right to vote due to the colour of their skin. Segregated schools weren't outlawed until 1964. Let's stop pretending like this was ancient history. They've lifted the official laws directly keeping black people down, but let's not pretend that instantly puts them on equal economic and social footing.

Wealth, level of education, and social status are proven to largely pass down from generation to generation. When you have a group of people who start off with zero, and are forced to live in near 3rd world conditions, it's going to take time for them to claw their way back up.

Can you seriously be this obtuse?
I'd add...it isn't just what the past racism has caused and the current situation stemming from that but that systemic racism NOW very much exists. SO not only do you have a situation like you mention where opportunities may be more limited because of the past actions but you still have a system that limits opportunities now. It's impossible to deny.

Well not impossible as clearly we are seeing just that. It's impossible to deny and be taken seriously.
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Obtuse is being too generous. Extremely extremely stupid or racist is more accurate. Pick your poison.
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Lol sorry folks, I did not mean to start an abortion debate of all things and I have no interest in getting into the weeds with it.

Chalk it up to sloppy phrasing on my part and feel free to leave out ‘women’s rights’ and change that sentence so that it reads ‘… taking a field trip to promote their moral high ground on the topic of abortion...’

Of course in their hearts they think it’s good and moral to do this and that their pastor and Mike Pence speak the truth. (Somehow they’ve also hitched their wagon to a populist conman who is one of the least moral people I can think of, but that’s another story).

Sloppy phrasing aside, I see a school-sponsored group of boys attending an anti-abortion rally as less a show of being wrong on the topic of abortion (based on my opinion) and more a sad sort of hubris that says they’ve already learned the good word at 15 and if these liberal women only hear the truth they too can walk the path of righteousness. (As if getting shouted at by teenagers is going to change anyone’s mind on anything). They are indoctrinated missionaries of an outdated moral code in its last throes of relevance.

Even if they ultimately return to the bible and their views on abortion or gay rights or science never align with mine, I want them to at least see and experience a cosmopolitan world, learn about other cultures and ideas, study the sciences or humanities, understand true suffering, and feel empathy. The world would simply be a better place if everyone did this.
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I don't think a lot of the name calling that is getting tacked on to the end of some of these otherwise good arguments is helping. It is just going to get people to dig in their heels and stay the way they are.



Like those kids from the school, hopefully they learned something valuable from this experience, but chances are they get through this and just end up thinking -"those SJW lefties ruined my life" and that manages to get passed down to yet another generation.
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