No bon voyage for Arafat from Conservatives

[Cowperson]

Conservative Party officials scrambled yesterday to explain an e-mail from Stockwell Day after he referred to an article on Yasser Arafat's terrorist past and to rumours that he may have had AIDS as reasons for not sending condolences upon his death.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/

I'm all for Arafat dying and I didn't really care how it happened but I found this brouhahaha rather amusing given Mr. Dinosaur, Stockwell Day, would somehow embroil himself in controversy yet again.

Cowperson

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by fotze@Nov 23 2004, 03:15 PM
Another reason why this party will always be seen as crackpots. If he said he did so cause he was a murdering terrorist or anything like that, then ok, but cause he MAY have died of AIDS is just stupid, scary and evil.

Day stands by his religious beliefs and is described as "scary and evil". George Bush stands by his religious beliefs and is considered a great leader and statesman. The differences between Canada and the United States cannot be better exposed than the reaction displayed here.

[arsenal]

AFAIK Bush never publicly made a statement as harsh as Days'.

[Looger]

i'm not sure if they're at the same point on the spectrum but they both hang out with holocaust deniers...

stockwell day with his old buddies, and bush with pat buchanan - one of the founders of the "institute for historical review" (IHR).

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by arsenal@Nov 23 2004, 03:56 PM
AFAIK Bush never publicly made a statement as harsh as Days'.

Wow, and Day's comments were so "harsh". I guess Day could have been more of a statesmen and defined three nations as the Axis of Evil. Or he could have been more of a leader and villified a whole group of people as enemies of family values because of their sexual orientation and desire to make a committment to each other and legally define their "family" according to the law of the land. You're right, George Bush never publicly made a statement as harsh as Day. Wait a second, Day's comment wasn't really public, it was made in an e-mail and was released without his consent. Seems like a pretty low calss move by someone IMO and an attempt to make someone look bad. More proof you can't trust a reporter any farther than you can throw Rita McNeil.

BTW, I do find it extremely ironic that Day gets skewered because of information for an article written by David Frum, the same guy who coinned the term "Axis of Evil" for George Bush.

[arsenal]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Nov 23 2004, 10:09 AM
More proof you can't trust a reporter any farther than you can throw Rita McNeil.

Man.. that should be an event in the strong man competitions

[jonesy]

Originally posted by Looger@Nov 23 2004, 04:07 PM
i'm not sure if they're at the same point on the spectrum but they both hang out with holocaust deniers...

This is an unfounded statement. Christians do not deny the holocaust. In fact I don't know of any that do. Maybe you are thinking of neo-nazi's? To paint Bush or Day with that brush is pretty lame.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Nov 23 2004, 03:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Nov 23 2004, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fotze@Nov 23 2004, 03:15 PM
Another reason why this party will always be seen as crackpots. If he said he did so cause he was a murdering terrorist or anything like that, then ok, but cause he MAY have died of AIDS is just stupid, scary and evil.

Day stands by his religious beliefs and is described as "scary and evil". George Bush stands by his religious beliefs and is considered a great leader and statesman. The differences between Canada and the United States cannot be better exposed than the reaction displayed here. [/b][/quote]
I've already said many times that one of the reasons - if not the main reason - I supported Kerry over Bush in the last election was I didn't want religion that close to government.

My reaction to Stockwell Day is consistent with that.

Cowperson

[Looger]

http://www.straightgoods.com/item317.shtml

stockwell day and keegstra's association, well known back east where day's old associations have all been dug up by the west-hating hawks in the newspapers.

keegstra and terry long are both well-known holocaust deniers with high public profiles, and stockwell day has long associations with both men going way back.

http://www.ihr.org/

the institute for historical review is supported by many of the movers and shakers in the republican party, some of the guys in the two bush administrations included. they are holocaust deniers.

quite a lot of the christian right in the US has some interesting views on israel and the role it will play in the impending armageddon. interesting stuff, these guys have to say.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Nov 23 2004, 04:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Nov 23 2004, 04:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Day stands by his religious beliefs and is described as "scary and evil". George Bush stands by his religious beliefs and is considered a great leader and statesman. The differences between Canada and the United States cannot be better exposed than the reaction displayed here.

I've already said many times that one of the reasons - if not the main reason - I supported Kerry over Bush in the last election was I didn't want religion that close to government.

My reaction to Stockwell Day is consistent with that.

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
I didn't question your reaction. I just thought that is is very representative of the way Canadians and Americans act when it comes to religion and politics. Canadians take an afront to a politician allowing his religious values to cloud his judgement. Americans tend to embrace it, even with the constitutional ammendment supposed protecting from such actions.

[There is no G in MacInnis]

Now I'm not a fan of Doris Day, but what harsh statement are you refering to?

The statement that there are two sides to the Arafat story? How do know that he wasn't a big fan of Arafat because of the link to terrorism? Is there a statement I'm missing?

"As you know, there are two sides to the Arafat story. You pick."

Mr. Day then attached an article by conservative commentator David Frum, who goes on at length about Mr. Arafat's support for terrorism and makes a reference to rumours that he may have had AIDS.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Nov 23 2004, 04:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Nov 23 2004, 04:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I've already said many times that one of the reasons - if not the main reason - I supported Kerry over Bush in the last election was I didn't want religion that close to government.

My reaction to Stockwell Day is consistent with that.

Cowperson

I didn't question your reaction. I just thought that is is very representative of the way Canadians and Americans act when it comes to religion and politics. Canadians take an afront to a politician allowing his religious values to cloud his judgement. Americans tend to embrace it, even with the constitutional ammendment supposed protecting from such actions. [/b][/quote]
Okay.

True. I think I saw a survey before the election stating that 70% of Americans view the religious character of the presidential candidate as important to their decision on whom they might vote for. About 30% put it at or near number one.

I think the number in Canada was less than 30%.

Canadians pretty much don't care or don't even want to know if their favourite candidate goes to Church regularly.

Throw in a guy like Stockwell and everyone's eyes start to bug out.

Cowperson

[peter12]

Could HOZ=Stockwell Day??

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Nov 23 2004, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Nov 23 2004, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I didn't question your reaction. I just thought that is is very representative of the way Canadians and Americans act when it comes to religion and politics. Canadians take an afront to a politician allowing his religious values to cloud his judgement. Americans tend to embrace it, even with the constitutional ammendment supposed protecting from such actions.

Okay.

True. I think I saw a survey before the election stating that 70% of Americans view the religious character of the presidential candidate as important to their decision on whom they might vote for. About 30% put it at or near number one.

I think the number in Canada was less than 30%.

Canadians pretty much don't care or don't even want to know if their favourite candidate goes to Church regularly.

Throw in a guy like Stockwell and everyone's eyes start to bug out.

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
Tommy Douglas was a minister before becoming CCF Premier of Saskatchewan and later the leader of the NDP and I agree, Canadians didn't seem to care. He semed to base his politics on the idea of brotherhood of man, something that seeems to be missing from most of the new right wing, born again Christians.

[RogerWilco]

"I don't think too much should be read into the fact that he sent it around."


The fact that he sent it around says that we should put some thought into the fact that he sent it around. On that note, I think people took it out of context. I think he must have been referring to:

1. noble statesman

2. terrorist.

He should have said that we should not try to put to much into the fact that the article talked about AIDS. He most likely picked an article that he should not have.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Nov 23 2004, 09:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Nov 23 2004, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fotze@Nov 23 2004, 03:15 PM
Another reason why this party will always be seen as crackpots. If he said he did so cause he was a murdering terrorist or anything like that, then ok, but cause he MAY have died of AIDS is just stupid, scary and evil.

Day stands by his religious beliefs and is described as "scary and evil". George Bush stands by his religious beliefs and is considered a great leader and statesman. The differences between Canada and the United States cannot be better exposed than the reaction displayed here. [/b][/quote]
Amen!

[Sammie]

Originally posted by arsenal@Nov 23 2004, 09:56 AM
AFAIK Bush never publicly made a statement as harsh as Days'.

What public statement?

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Looger@Nov 23 2004, 10:07 AM
i'm not sure if they're at the same point on the spectrum but they both hang out with holocaust deniers...

stockwell day with his old buddies, and bush with pat buchanan - one of the founders of the "institute for historical review" (IHR).

Am I understanding you right?

What you wrote seems to be a very unfair and untrue statement. Day has NEVER had anything to do with holocaust deniers. I'm not that fond of Pat Buchanan but to my knowledge he has never been part of an anti-Zionist or Jewish movement.

If Day was a holocaust denier he would be a fervent supporter of Arafat.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Nov 23 2004, 10:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Nov 23 2004, 10:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Day stands by his religious beliefs and is described as "scary and evil". George Bush stands by his religious beliefs and is considered a great leader and statesman. The differences between Canada and the United States cannot be better exposed than the reaction displayed here.

I've already said many times that one of the reasons - if not the main reason - I supported Kerry over Bush in the last election was I didn't want religion that close to government.

My reaction to Stockwell Day is consistent with that.

Cowperson[/b][/quote]
No matter how you try you can't separate religion from politics. Everybody believes something and what they believe affects how they live and govern. Everyone lives by a set of principles. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem comes when those who govern impose their beliefs on the rest of population to the exclusion of other religions.

At this point in time every other religion is tolerated in Canada while Christians and Jews are finding greater and greater restrictions in their freedom to practice what they believe. This is the very reason why Bush and Day face such harsh, vicious and often untrue criticism when their words and the meaning of their statements get so twisted out of context by people who have their own agenda.

It bothers me when I see such reporting.

[Sammie]

Originally posted by Looger@Nov 23 2004, 10:46 AM
http://www.straightgoods.com/item317.shtml

stockwell day and keegstra's association, well known back east where day's old associations have all been dug up by the west-hating hawks in the newspapers.

keegstra and terry long are both well-known holocaust deniers with high public profiles, and stockwell day has long associations with both men going way back.

That is a lie! I live in the Central Alberta area and have for more than 25 years. As a result, I have run across all three and know for a fact Stockwell never moved in the same circles as these other two characters. The Christian community Stockwell Day was part of would never ever have anything to do those fanatical close-minded idiots.

This is a typical example of the very deceitful, despicable lies that are spread against anyone who publicly admits to being a practicing Christian and politician.