2019 NFL Playoff Thread

[Erick Estrada]

If you watched both games you would see the officials were letting them play. Chiefs DB's were mauling Patriots receivers all game. There were a few plays where Pats receivers had a Chief on their back and I was looking around the field expecting flags and none came. Not sure if it was a mandate in both games not to call a lot of pass interference but to me that's what I saw. There's no doubt the missed call in the Saints game was huge but it was going on in both games.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Huge doesn't quite cover it. The wrong team is in the Super Bowl. That sort of statement is usually hyperbole but it's clearly the wrong call and if it was made properly, the Saints win. Full stop. It's not that they probably would have won. It's a certainty.

The Pats thing is the usual level of NFL bull#### and shenanigans that we're all used to at this point but I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like that non call.

[Simanium]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If you watched both games you would see the officials were letting them play. Chiefs DB's were mauling Patriots receivers all game. There were a few plays where Pats receivers had a Chief on their back and I was looking around the field expecting flags and none came. Not sure if it was a mandate in both games not to call a lot of pass interference but to me that's what I saw. There's no doubt the missed call in the Saints game was huge but it was going on in both games.

This is nothing new. I've noticed this the last 5-6 years, while in the regular season you breath on a receiver and it's pass interference or holding or illegal contact, in the playoffs the refs have been letting the teams play. I imagine coaches are aware of this and coaching their players to play more physical in coverage.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It was the wrong call. In fact the tuck rule wasn't even the call on the field. The official called it an incomplete pass which was incorrect. The NFL came out after the game with the tuck rule as justification for the mistake even though that wasn't the call the official made.

Not according to the guy who made the call.

NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.[5]


The tackle that generated controversy
After a video-replay review, referee Walt Coleman reversed the call, declaring the play an incomplete forward pass and giving possession back to New England. Coleman's announcement stated that the ball was moving forward at the time at which it was dropped. Thus, the original call was overturned, and New England maintained possession.

Because the play was initially ruled a fumble, instant-replay rules required the referee to see "incontrovertible visual evidence" on the replay that Brady had not "tucked the ball into his body and then {lost} possession" of it before reversing the original call on the field. In 2012, on the ten-year anniversary of the game, Coleman told ESPN that he did not see Brady lose the ball, and, as NFL refs were trained to do in this situation, ruled it a fumble because that call could be reviewed while an incomplete pass could not. Once he saw a replay, Coleman quickly reversed his previous ruling, telling ESPN it was an "easy" call.[6]

[dirk diggler]

After the horrible play call in the fail mary game between the seahawks and packers, it was clear to me that the NFL wasn't serious about improving the reffing. its easy to say, the Saints should have done this or that but that game was taken from them. as for all those who think the Pats don't get bad calls against them, lets be real. Possibly the worst reffed game I ever saw was the game when Osweiler "beat" the Pats and get himself paid. Many phantom calls. As for the roughing the passer against Brady, horrible call but I can count many "roughing" the QB calls that have been just as bad.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

After the horrible play call in the fail mary game between the seahawks and packers, it was clear to me that the NFL wasn't serious about improving the reffing. its easy to say, the Saints should have done this or that but that game was taken from them. as for all those who think the Pats don't get bad calls against them, lets be real. Possibly the worst reffed game I ever saw was the game when Osweiler "beat" the Pats and get himself paid. Many phantom calls. As for the roughing the passer against Brady, horrible call but I can count many "roughing" the QB calls that have been just as bad.

Those were the replacement officials whie the union guys were on strike (or locked out?)....that game actually inspired the league to get the real guys back the following week.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The worst part about the "play defense" argument is that it's saying one side needs to play defense in order to get it's offense the ball, while the other offense is virtually guaranteed to get the ball because of a coin toss. Why didn't the Patriots defense have to play any plays in OT? One more revolution on the coin flip giving the Chiefs the ball wouldn't be fair either. Just a sad way to end things, and Matthew Slater might be the actual GOAT because he's two for two in Pats OT playoff games on coin toss calls, victories where the other team never saw the ball.

I think in the playoffs it should be a full 15 minute OT. But then you get into tv problems.

Or how about the higher seed wins if the game ends in a tie. Then the teams know what that have to do.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Wells that's crusing...

I look forward to the day when the Devil comes to collect on Brady and Bellichick. What a run of domination they have had.

Brutal offside by Dee Ford to kill the game for KC.

Hopefully I'm not 67 the next time I see the Chiefs in this game. I probably won't make it to that age...men in my family die young.

Syl, the Chiefs will be back soon and often.

I was very worried that Brady's pick in the endzone would cost them. They got lucky and won the coin toss. But KC's defense HAS to stop at least one of those 3rd and 10s. We wanted an exciting game and we got it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Patriots open as slight favorites, which is wonderful because now we don't have to hear two weeks of the Patriots whining that they aren't respected enough. That's another reason everyone hates the Pats, despite being the unquestioned most successful franchise in sports since 2001, their fans and the team live in constant victim mentality. It's boring and annoying.

[GirlySports]

Speaking of the Ford offside call, aren't there 100 coaches watching the line?

Is it someone's responsibility to notice that and call timeout?
Or does it happen too fast? Or was that too close to call?

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Those were the replacement officials whie the union guys were on strike (or locked out?)....that game actually inspired the league to get the real guys back the following week.

yes they were but what has really changed. the reffing you could even say has regressed since then.

[chummer]

I wonder if being able to challenge every play is coming?

[Simanium]

Originally Posted by chummer

I wonder if being able to challenge every play is coming?

Sean Payton actually advocated for this in the past, Belichick too, but the competition committee didn't go for it.

[dirk diggler]

We have seen what being able to challenge PI calls was like in the CFL. teams challenging virtually no contact and hope when there is no other hope. clearly in the Saints game, this would be pretty cut and dry. The long reviews are killing the game though. that pats game seemed like it was 4 hours long, if I never see another popeyes commercial.............

[Simanium]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

We have seen what being able to challenge PI calls was like in the CFL. teams challenging virtually no contact and hope when there is no other hope. clearly in the Saints game, this would be pretty cut and dry. The long reviews are killing the game though. that pats game seemed like it was 4 hours long, if I never see another popeyes commercial.............

A good solution would be to have a video replay official in the booth. Can instantly communicate with the Head Referee and let them know if they missed something obvious.

[Jiggy_12]

non-game related but Tony Romo had maybe the absolute best night I've ever seen/heard from anyone in the booth, in any sport.

He takes it to a level I've never seen

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

non-game related but Tony Romo had maybe the absolute best night I've ever seen/heard from anyone in the booth, in any sport.

He takes it to a level I've never seen

He's getting some rave reviews today, he was outstanding.

We get him again in two weeks.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Posted from Todd Gurley's official Instagram page..

LOL Jim Rome certainly got duped this morning as he was talking about this like it actually happened. How could anyone not notice the official in the pic's left arm and legs being of an opposing team player.

[Johnny Makarov]

I really like Romo's humour and banter with Nantz. Would he make a great defensive coordinator?

https://deadspin.com/tony-romos-pred...vel-1831924367

[chummer]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL Jim Rome certainly got duped this morning as he was talking about this like it actually happened. How could anyone not notice the official in the pic's left arm and legs being of an opposing team player.

He said it was photoshopped.