What to do with Brodie and Hamonic this off-season?

[TheoFleury]

Thing is with signing both Brodie and Hamonic is that you are blocking Andersson for 3 years. Kylington and Valimaki are already blocked. I'm not sure the Flames will want to proceed that way with the promise these young d have shown. In my view at least Andersson and Valimaki are future top 4 Dmen, can't have them bottom pairing forever. Kylington I'm less sure of, but he still has mad potential as well.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Really? Do you think Treliving would consult him on this? If so, I'd take it with a grain of salt. What's Gio going to say - he's terrible without me? Anyone is great with me?



Peters, and, I suspect, Huska might be a major factor though.

Not directly, but my point is that Giordano’s play this year has been hugely affected by his reunification with Brodie. I suspect that coaches and management are well aware of this, and it will be a factor in negotiations.


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[Tyler]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Thing is with signing both Brodie and Hamonic is that you are blocking Andersson for 3 years. Kylington and Valimaki are already blocked. I'm not sure the Flames will want to proceed that way with the promise these young d have shown. In my view at least Andersson and Valimaki are future top 4 Dmen, can't have them bottom pairing forever. Kylington I'm less sure of, but he still has mad potential as well.

Exactly.

For this reason, I think you have to let Brodie go. Hamonic is too solid defensively and likely won't require as big of a contract as TJ. Andersson can slot in with offense and you can start to give Kylington and Valimaki more ice time.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not directly, but my point is that Giordano’s play this year has been hugely affected by his reunification with Brodie. I suspect that coaches and management are well aware of this, and it will be a factor in negotiations.

I'd suggest coaching and style of play are major factors as well, perhaps more so. Giordano was still amazing under Gulutzan. His offensive numbers suffered (everyones did) but Gio was still a bonafide top pairing defensemen.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not directly, but my point is that Giordano’s play this year has been hugely affected by his reunification with Brodie. I suspect that coaches and management are well aware of this, and it will be a factor in negotiations.


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I think Gio’s game has been equally impacted by being on the first team PP as it has with Brodie. Additionally playing under Peters system that encourages Dmen moving up the ice and joining the rush is better for getting points than the bruta system Gully had in place.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Thing is with signing both Brodie and Hamonic is that you are blocking Andersson for 3 years. Kylington and Valimaki are already blocked. I'm not sure the Flames will want to proceed that way with the promise these young d have shown. In my view at least Andersson and Valimaki are future top 4 Dmen, can't have them bottom pairing forever. Kylington I'm less sure of, but he still has mad potential as well.

Well, when they demand that spot with their play and consistency, you ship out the older player. Deal from a position of strength, not bet on an outcome.

You don’t HAVE to keep them for the entirety of their contract.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You don’t HAVE to keep them for the entirety of their contract.

Much harder to move a player once they've signed that long term big dollar UFA contract heading into their 30s.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Well, when they demand that spot with their play and consistency, you ship out the older player. Deal from a position of strength, not bet on an outcome.

You don’t HAVE to keep them for the entirety of their contract.

Exactly what they would be doing if they deal him this summer.

What am i missing here?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Exactly what they would be doing if they deal him this summer.

What am i missing here?

Apparently the beginning of my post you quoted.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Apparently the beginning of my post you quoted.

Yeah....that has been established already IMO.

Why would they go into next year with Gio, Brodie, Hamonic, Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington and possibly Stone, knowing what we know about the players now?

Which guy is getting sent down and which guy is going to be watching from the press box every night?

Its already a huge position of strength to take away from, and the only one on the team.

You make the deal this summer to address whatever area of need you have, its a no-brainer

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah....that has been established already IMO.

Well it isn’t in my opinion.

But I think we can all agree it’s obvious Stone wont be here next season. I’m not including him in that list. And Kylington is clearly the odd man out of the rest. But, the potential is there.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Much harder to move a player once they've signed that long term big dollar UFA contract heading into their 30s.

Not when they're a top pairing defenseman.

Every other non-Gio D on the roster is someone we hope becomes a top pairing player. Everyone except Brodie. When the Flames made the 2nd round in 14, Brodie was playing 27 minutes a night, and he certainly wasn't the reason they lost to the Ducks in five.

Hanifin-Brodie
Valimaki-Andersson
Kylington-Hamonic

If I'm being honest, the only one I don't like there in a post Gio world is Hamonic. Defensemen like Brodie don't usually have a precipitous decline in their early 30s.

Defensemen like Hamonic do.

[Flash Walken]

I'm getting more comfortable with the idea of letting Brodie play out the season with Calgary next year and then letting him walk. Maybe moving him at the draft for negotiation rights.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah....that has been established already IMO.

Why would they go into next year with Gio, Brodie, Hamonic, Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington and possibly Stone, knowing what we know about the players now?

Which guy is getting sent down and which guy is going to be watching from the press box every night?

Its already a huge position of strength to take away from, and the only one on the team.

You make the deal this summer to address whatever area of need you have, its a no-brainer

Because with this lineup they are 2nd overall in the NHL? And have the best defensive pairing in the NHL?

[1991 Canadian]

It's tough. I think realistically you can only afford to resign 1 of them. They are both making below market salaries so they are both due for a raise on their next contract. The only saving grace is Treliving will likely be able to get the trio of young RFA dmen (Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington) on relatively affordable deals.

If they were both up for UFA this year I would say resign Brodie because he allows Giordano to be as a dynamic as he is. Giordano's 4 best offensive years have occurred when Brodie is his partner. I don't think Brodie gets enough credit for his impact on Giordano. They both make each other significantly better.

But two years from now, Brodie will be 30. Gio will be 37 and have 2 years left on his deal. Brodie will be looking for his last big payday.

It will be easier to re-evaluate after next year. If Gio still looks like he'll be an elite defenceman for the duration of his contract, I think you resign Brodie. Having 12+ million tied up in 2 aging defenceman isn't ideal, but Gio doesn't seem to be slowing down.

I think Hamonic is trickier because I see him topping out as a great 2nd pairing dman. I think it is more likely that 1.5 years from now Andersson can fill Hamonic's spot on the 2nd pair.

Although who knows, maybe Andersson keeps progressing and becomes a viable 1st line guy to replace Brodie. In that case, it might be worthwhile to resign Hamonic to stabilize the 2nd pairing

Thankfully they have both these guys under contract for next year. The trajectory of all these players will be a bit more clear then. Still, it'll be a tough call.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Thing is with signing both Brodie and Hamonic is that you are blocking Andersson for 3 years. Kylington and Valimaki are already blocked. I'm not sure the Flames will want to proceed that way with the promise these young d have shown. In my view at least Andersson and Valimaki are future top 4 Dmen, can't have them bottom pairing forever. Kylington I'm less sure of, but he still has mad potential as well.

On the other hand having 6 top four defensemen probably gives us the best defense in the league. So while some players are getting blocked from top 4 minutes the Flames are better off having that depth.

Something will need to happen eventually. But that day isn’t close.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm getting more comfortable with the idea of letting Brodie play out the season with Calgary next year and then letting him walk. Maybe moving him at the draft for negotiation rights.

I'm alright with that as well

I'm NOT alright with Kylington in Stockton for the year because this is what that scenario entails.

One of out top 6 D needs to move this summer, and no obvious answer. This is why the pragmatic approach is to see who out of Hamonic or Brodie would be willing to sign reasonable deals, then go from there...

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I'm alright with that as well

I'm NOT alright with Kylington in Stockton for the year because this is what that scenario entails.

One of out top 6 D needs to move this summer, and no obvious answer. This is why the pragmatic approach is to see who out of Hamonic or Brodie would be willing to sign reasonable deals, then go from there...

I don't think this is accurate.

I posted this in another thread but kylington right now is the defacto #7.

When healthy this is the group, in order:

Gio-Brodie
hamonic-hanifin
Valimaki-andersson
Kylington-Stone
Prout-valiev

If you come back with the same group next year, kylington is still going to get games due to injury or Peters shakeup.

Stone has to move on though to sign Tkachuk. He just can't be in the organization at that salary. It completely negated the advantage of having valimaki and Andersson on ELCs.

So either he goes at the deadline or the draft, but if he is cleared by doctors this week, he might be gone by next.

[Enoch Root]

Yeah, Stone is the guy that needs to be moved out in the summer - there will likely be a team trying to get to the floor that would be interested.

That leaves:

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Andersson
Kylington

Which doesn't leave a lot of buffer for injuries.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because with this lineup they are 2nd overall in the NHL? And have the best defensive pairing in the NHL?

The Flames have had the best D pairing basically for the last 5 years. 3 years it was Brodie and Gio and 2 years it was Dougie and Gio. If Gio is the constant there is a decent shot that Gio-Hamonic or Gio-Hanifin would also be the best pair in the nhl next year.